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Author Topic:   Why is the Intelligent Designer so inept?
Perdition
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Message 201 of 352 (506706)
04-28-2009 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by traderdrew
04-28-2009 10:33 AM


Re: Your Computer
Let's say that you are a friend of Michael Dell. I'm not sure but I think he is the owner and CEO of Dell Computers. Michael recently gave you a state of the art computer and now you're using it and you know it is better than anything your other friends currently have. Michael let you in on a secret. Michael Dell is a god and he has access to unlimited intelligence. You feel fortunate that you have this great computer but then it dawns on you to ask Michael a question.
"Hey Michael, since you are a god, why can't you build a perfect computer?"
Michael's reply might go something like this?
"Why are you asking me that? What is a perfect computer? How fast does it have to be to be perfect? Your computer doesn't have to be perfect. It will do just fine for all of your needs."
Your analogy would work better for the real world if this is what you said:
Michael claims to be a god gives you your amazing computer and declares it "good." Other people come over and are amazed at what you have, but notice the parts are stamped with serial numbers and tags saying "Made in Japan" or "Product of Taiwan." People point out that anyone could have gotten those parts and put them together and made your computer, and in fact, here's this other guy, Steve Jobs who can do an even better computer for you.
You repsond, "No! It's not better, there's a reason this computer doesn't seem to have all the things your new iMac can do, and that's because we don't deserve any better computers. And the reason the parts are stamped is so people have to open their minds and understand that Mike is a god, it's a test and you all failed!"

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Perdition
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Message 210 of 352 (506936)
04-30-2009 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by traderdrew
04-30-2009 11:55 AM


Re: Your Computer
If these things arrived here from outer space, we would say that this would prove the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence. But since these things are here already, many explain them away by some sort of chance process.
I disagree with this premise. We pride ourtselves on determining if something is natural (life) or unnatural (created). If some sort of DNA came from space, we would not consider it evidence for extraterrestrial intelligence...merely extraterrestrial life. Now, if extraterrestrial intelligence has developed a form of data transmission that uses DNA, we would have a hard time deciphering the fact that it was artificial, and in fact, this has formed the basis for some really good sci-fi stories.

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Perdition
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Message 213 of 352 (506945)
04-30-2009 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by traderdrew
04-30-2009 12:32 PM


Re: Your Computer
This is circular reasoning. I was hoping for someone who could really challenge my messages.
How is this circular reasoning? We find life, that means there's life, that's pure logic. No where do we jump to the conclusion of intelligent life, because the mere existence of life does not mean intelligence also exists. Science doesn't jump to conclusions like you seem to want to.

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Perdition
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Message 324 of 352 (509239)
05-19-2009 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 316 by Percy
05-19-2009 3:06 AM


Re: On the Topic
You're referring to the vertebrate eye as an evolutionary dead end and asking how many more dead ends there are. There's no ambiguity. You called the vertebrate eye an evolutionary dead end
I think he is saying the neo-Darwinism (whatever that is) has evovled and run into dead ends, not that the human eye is one. If I'm right, he could have made that clearer, but even so, I'm not sure what he means by dead ends in the evolution of neo-Darwinism since it's still here...

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