Is the Global Flood Feasible? Discussion Q&A

I only brought up the PhD thing because you seemed to question my qualifications yesterday. And I'm a 'he'. I personally know (independently of creation dos) 2 other creationists (in additon to myself) who run mainstream academic labs in this city. We've been on academic comittees together and plotted the downfall of evoltuion (I'm kidding ).We really are mainstream in every way except for believing in literal creation. We respect the scientific method and are trying to understand where mainstream science went wrong. At one point the three of us where on the executive committees for 3 of Australias top scientific societies! We lament what has happened. We love science. Having said that it effects my day to day work in almost no way at all. Macroevoltuion contributes very little to science even in life sciences contrary to popular opinion.And I absolutely promise to post data ASAP. Most of my 'data' is mainstream geology quotes (that I have copied from texts) and my 'revelation' on how paleontology works which I will document. In addition I have a good understanding of comparative genomics from my mainstream work.------------------
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[B]I only brought up the PhD thing because you seemed to question my qualifications yesterday. And I'm a 'he'. I personally know (independently of creation dos) 2 other creationists (in additon to myself) who run mainstream academic labs in this city. We've been on academic comittees together and plotted the downfall of evoltuion (I'm kidding ).We really are mainstream in every way except for believing in literal creation. We respect the scientific method and are trying to understand where mainstream science went wrong.[/QUOTE]JM: Well considering that you let the bible dictate the science that you are willing to believe, I would say that you bastardize the scientific method rather than respect it. One does not force science to fit a religious viewpoint. Kurt Wise is perhaps the most honest creationist in that he admits that no matter what evidence is forwarded against ye-creation and no matter how well-founded that science is, he will reject it in favor of his interpretation of the bible. You seem to be like minded. You have chosen your god and it is the bible. Many other Christians worship god and see the bible for what it is, a book about salvation and not science. I personally find it very odd and almost cultish that people allow their own interpretation of an ambiguous religious document to guide their 'science'. For some reason, you think this is part and parcel of the 'scientific method'. Strange.CheersJoe Meert

^ Fair enough Joe. I still think it looks like creation/flood anyway. And the Bible and the Lord never cease to amaze me.------------------
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We really are mainstream in every way except for believing in literal creation. We respect the scientific method and are trying to understand where mainstream science went wrong.

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There is an alternate explanation, you know.

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At one point the three of us where on the executive committees for 3 of Australias top scientific societies! We lament what has happened.

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I do to.

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We love science. Having said that it effects my day to day work in almost no way at all. Macroevoltuion contributes very little to science even in life sciences contrary to popular opinion.

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Other than the fact that it explains the fossil record, you mean? [quote]And I absolutely promise to post data ASAP. Most of my 'data' is mainstream geology quotes (that I have copied from texts) ...Sorry, but this raises all kinds of red flags. How many quotes from mainstream scientists do you think our creationist friends have already dug up? I hope you have something new.

Reply - Edge #330 & Joe Meert #331--I know what your saying, and whatever is going to be presented in the future or already may have been will be as is. What I addressed was just a courtesy tip to be a bit less sarcastic. We all have great questions here and have great answers to them, though sometimes it seems as if a silent flame-war is beginning to break out in the background.------------------

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--I know what your saying, and whatever is going to be presented in the future or already may have been will be as is. What I addressed was just a courtesy tip to be a bit less sarcastic. We all have great questions here and have great answers to them, though sometimes it seems as if a silent flame-war is beginning to break out in the background.

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Please assume that my ridicule and sarcasm are directed at the professional creationists who have led you astray. I apologize if it seems otherwise.

"Please assume that my ridicule and sarcasm are directed at the professional creationists who have led you astray. I apologize if it seems otherwise."
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I think this thread is about to die if someone doesn't start a discussion and will end up back at the bottom of the list. Anyone have anything interesting they might want to present here? Any data on some sort of find in the Geologic column somewhere in the world, anything on plate tectonics or whatever. Just want to get a discussion or opposition heard. I've seen Mark24 still around, lithification? Or maybe back to something that is specific.------------------

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I think this thread is about to die if someone doesn't start a discussion and will end up back at the bottom of the list. Anyone have anything interesting they might want to iterate here? Any data on some sort of find in the Geologic column somewhere in the world, anything on plate tectonics or whatever. Just want to get a discussion or opposition heard. I've seen Mark24 still around, lithification? Or maybe back to something that is specific.

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And I absolutely promise to post data ASAP. Most of my 'data' is mainstream geology quotes (that I have copied from texts) and my 'revelation' on how paleontology works which I will document. In addition I have a good understanding of comparative genomics from my mainstream work.

Oh yes of course! Didn't mean to attempt in straying the topic, sorry edge. Carry on, though if time passes by, keep my last post in consideration.------------------

Bump, anybody? If Tranquility isn't going to finish his discussion, great, but I don't think this thread should succumb to being burried back at the bottom of the list.------------------

TC, I don't have much to add on the feasibility of the flood at the moment.I'm going to be posting to the plate tectonics thread, the mainstream geological column origin thread (waiting for it to be resurrected, thanks Percy) and I'm about to start a mainstream paleontology thread.------------------
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"TC, I don't have much to add on the feasibility of the flood at the moment.I'm going to be posting to the plate tectonics thread, the mainstream geological column origin thread (waiting for it to be resurrected, thanks Percy) and I'm about to start a mainstream paleontology thread."
--No problem, If anyone would like to take my post #339 now into consideration:

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Anyone have anything interesting they might want to present here? Any data on some sort of find in the Geologic column somewhere in the world, anything on plate tectonics or whatever. Just want to get a discussion or opposition heard. I've seen Mark24 still around, lithification? Or maybe back to something that is specific.

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[This message has been edited by TrueCreation, 05-30-2002]

It's a bump for Baumgardner-nosity!See message 11 for where it all begins:
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=7&t=7&m=11#11Still Moose------------------
BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

Now that he's been bumped up to "admin" status, I thought it would be nice to take a look back at his humble beginnings here.Go back to message 1 Of course, I had then only been here a little over a month myself.Moose