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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Hi Tesla,
Are you still discussing how supernatural ID science is supposed to work? If you are then I'm finding it hard to see the relationship. --Percy
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
Are you still discussing how supernatural ID science is supposed to work? If you are then I'm finding it hard to see the relationship.
See the bottom portion of post 315. Intelligent Design Science: acknowledges superior consciousness that dictated the 'design' of the universe. My position is science has not ruled out that possibility and considers 'Supreme Being' Supernatural. My position still is that Supernatural only means it is beyond the abilities of current science to understand. With acknowledgment of the potential, the ability to truly 'disprove' this belief is by understanding consciousness. Science does not yet have that capacity; therefore, it is still potential. I believe scientists attempting to interpret brain functions of consciousness would receive funding from churches and other religious orders who believe that unlocking consciousness at its base physics could lead to a greater understanding of God. This would only accelerate the knowledge of science and give science the potential to either prove or disprove Supreme Being. Everyone wins. Edited by tesla, : spacing keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Tesla writes: My position still is that Supernatural only means it is beyond the abilities of current science to understand. As I have pointed out to you previously - Everybody here accepts that there are things which science has not yet explained. So by your pointlessly all-encompassing-to-the-point-of-meaningless definition everybody here (not to mention the likes of Richard Dawkins and James Randi) are ardent believers in the existence of the supernatural. If you insist on applying your own personal definition to everyone elses arguments you are going to do nothing but disrupt threads with your semantic nonsense.
Tesla writes: This would only accelerate the knowledge of science and give science the potential to either prove or disprove Supreme Being. I have also pointed out to you that evidence based investigation isn't in the business of proof.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
I have also pointed out to you that evidence based investigation isn't in the business of proof.
And this is where science apparently disagrees with itself. For instance here is a Berkley quote: (under falsifiable) "A falsifiable idea, on the other hand, is one for which there is a conceivable test that might produce evidence proving the idea false." It comes from this link: Tips and strategies for teaching the nature and process of science Where it also points out: "Scientists are judged on the basis of how many correct hypotheses they propose (i.e., good scientists are the ones who are "right" most often). " How do we judge 'right'? Evidence. And what is evidence considered by most? proof "Journalists often write about "scientific proof" and some scientists talk about it, but in fact, the concept of proof real, absolute proof is not particularly scientific." So please read that sentence as "evidence" instead of proof. if it will make you feel more comfortable. But if evidence is considered to be ‘proof’--tentative, scientifically accepted; proof--then its semantics. However, did you really read that post and just ignore the potential to grow actual scientific knowledge by accepting the notion that the exploration could unlock evidence of supreme consciousness? Do you know how much funding could be funneled into scientific research in the realm of neurological understanding and physics? Probably more funding than was sunk into the hadron collider. Scientist had no idea what, if anything, would be discovered by that. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
tesla writes:
Yay. "A falsifiable idea, on the other hand, is one for which there is a conceivable test that might produce evidence proving the idea false."Now we get to watch you jump between definitions of 'Proof'. The parrot is blue and the parrot is not blue. Is the parrot blue?You have still never answered this correctly. Can you not understand English?
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
So what is it you think science can "prove" regarding the actuality of things which are defined (by humans) as being materially inexplicable and unfalsifiable?
Concepts that are defined to be unfalsifiable (Whether it be Allah, Vishnu or Last Thursdayism) are abundant. But science need pay no heed to such things beyond vague philosophical recognition of their unfalsifiability. If Last Thursdayism is correct then Evolution is necessarily false. But as far as science is concerned - So what? Why even consider the baseless beliefs of those who treat falsification as the be-all-and-end-all of scientific endevour? They are just deluding themselves with the comforting notion that "My belief can't be falsified therefore it is as justified as any other".
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
So what is it you think science can "prove" regarding the actuality of things which are defined (by humans) as being materially inexplicable and unfalsifiable? I'm not sure what evidence will be discovered. I do know discoveries will be made, and many discoveries are potential.
If Last Thursdayism is correct then Evolution is necessarily false. But as far as science is concerned - So what? Why even consider the baseless beliefs of those who treat falsification as the be-all-and-end-all of scientific endevour? They are just deluding themselves with the comforting notion that "My belief can't be falsified therefore it is as justified as any other".
You’re looking at a very small picture. The majority of mankind believes that God is a real thing. Only a few positional-agitated scientists would gawk at scientists studying consciousness at the level of physics and chemistry necessary to understand the behavior--with the premise that it is potential to discover superior consciousness as it is believed to exist--when billions are being dumped into the research. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
tesla writes:
You’re looking at a very small picture. The majority of mankind believes that God is a real thing. Only a few positional-agitated scientists would gawk at scientists studying consciousness at the level of physics and chemistry necessary to understand the behavior--with the premise that it is potential to discover superior consciousness as it is believed to exist--when billions are being dumped into the research. First, belief that God is real is totally irrelevant; is there EVIDENCE that God exists? If there is no evidence that God exists then there is nothing to investigate. Second, studying consciousness has NOTHING to do with supernatural. Third, unless there is some evidence that something called "superior consciousness" there is nothing to investigate. Do you have evidence that God or superior consciousness or supernatural exist? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
First, belief that God is real is totally irrelevant; is there EVIDENCE that God exists?
The majority of mankind believes there is and that he does.
If there is no evidence that God exists then there is nothing to investigate.
Hosea 4:6:My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children." Second, studying consciousness has NOTHING to do with supernatural.
The majority of those who 'hear' God report that God communicates via consciousness.
Third, unless there is some evidence that something called "superior consciousness" there is nothing to investigate. Do you have evidence that God or superior consciousness or supernatural exist? The claims of the majority of humans on this planet is enough to validate true examination, via true scientific methods; to understand consciousness in the hopes to validate what the majority already believe.Remember, people do not just believe in this idea tentatively. They truly trust God is real. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And it just plain don't matter what they believe.
Before you can investigate something there must be some evidence that it exists. Do you have evidence that God or superior consciousness or supernatural exist? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
And it just plain don't matter what they believe. Before you can investigate something there must be some evidence that it exists. Do you have evidence that God or superior consciousness or supernatural exist?
The evidence of that is what will hopefully be discovered. The path to scientific evidence of that: begins with first understanding human consciousness, and the physics of thoughts.That is something we can study towards that end [of understanding superior consciousness]. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
tesla writes: jar writes: First, belief that God is real is totally irrelevant; is there EVIDENCE that God exists?
The majority of mankind believes there is and that he does. Knowing that CS will again mock me for this, I have to ask.Do they believe there is evidence or is there evidence? Very much different things. If there is evidence what is it? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
tesla writes: And it just plain don't matter what they believe. Before you can investigate something there must be some evidence that it exists. Do you have evidence that God or superior consciousness or supernatural exist?
The evidence of that is what will hopefully be discovered. The path to scientific evidence of that: begins with first understanding human consciousness, and the physics of thoughts.That is something we can study towards that end [of understanding superior consciousness]. Do you have evidence that God or superior consciousness or supernatural exist? If you do not have evidence that God or superior consciousness or supernatural even exist then there is NOTHING to investigate. I believe very strongly that grichnixousness exists. How do you go about investigating grichnixousness? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
Knowing that CS will again mock me for this, I have to ask. Do they believe there is evidence or is there evidence? Very much different things. If there is evidence what is it?
You’re looking at the issue backwards. There currently isn't any scientific evidence. The question of this topic is 'how do we begin looking for it' (how do we do ID science) The evidence may or may not be found, but is potentially found by understanding the physics behind consciousness. This is a path to scientific evidence. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
If you do not have evidence that God or superior consciousness or supernatural even exist then there is NOTHING to investigate.
Do you have evidence that dark matter exists? oh I guess that means there is nothing to investigate then huh? keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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