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Message 10 of 113 (414470)
08-04-2007 11:12 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by anastasia
08-04-2007 12:17 AM

Not so toughies.

How long did the creation event last?

When did it occur?

Do you believe it is 'finished', or ongoing?

Huh? If you mean the creation of this universe, then it is still ongoing so something over 14.5 Billion years.

How much intelligence or preplanning went into the creation itself?

Unknown.

How much was left to chance?

Unknown.

Did God build up the design in small stages which are observable by science, or create 'whole' specimens?

There is NO evidence of special creation.

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Message 23 of 113 (414629)
08-05-2007 1:52 PM

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08-05-2007 1:47 PM

Re: Not so toughies.

It is 100% true that most of these questions are currently unanswerable if we are looking for answers from science.

They are unanswerable even if we look outside science. Oh, folk can make up fantasy answers, but so far no one has shown any method of testing those asserted answers other than testing them against reason. logic and reality.

That returns us to science.

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Message 34 of 113 (414648)
08-05-2007 2:54 PM

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08-05-2007 2:28 PM

Re: Not so toughies.

But what if science gave us every answer, and we had no gap for God?

Then, if you believed in a God of the Gaps, there would be no God.

That is the threat of a God of the Gaps theology. Under such a theology, there is the likelihood that sooner or later, God will get written out.

I know you believe in creation, and I have never had the chance to ask outrightly what that entails for you, if it was not a creation which was in any way intelligent or planned.

Is that a question?

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Message 38 of 113 (414671)
08-05-2007 4:37 PM

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08-05-2007 3:07 PM

Re: Not so toughies.

What role, if any, do you think God plays or has played in the physical universe (or even multiverse should that be the case).

First, I think that GOD is the creator. What we learn through science is the hows, how GOD did it. I can't really see any issue there until we reach the point where we not only fully understand all of the "hows it was done" but also "hows we too can do it".

Second, I believe GOD is actively involved in life itself on an ongoing basis. Miracles do happen. But I also believe that miracles are performed by the same processes we know now or will hopefully learn about in the future. Those we do not understand will simply remain unexplained.

Miracles though are an act of volition, and so not subject to being examined or repeatable.

But I do not think that man was some planned output, some desired critter or special creation.

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Message 44 of 113 (414711)
08-05-2007 8:23 PM

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08-05-2007 5:15 PM

Re: Not so toughies.

And which do you consider yourself to be (deist, theist)?

I am a Christian.

I believe that GOD takes an active role in the world, and also am a member of the Christian Faith.

But remember, I do not see religions as defining GOD, rather religions define a particular view of GOD. Religions are the Map, not the Territory.

GOD is no more the Christian God than She is the Islamic God or the Hindu God or the Wiccan Gods. GOD, if God exists, is GOD.

Religions, even Christianity, are just human constructs, attempts to map some other transcendent territory. As such, the maps can be more or less reliable, in some places they may have a very close correspondence with reality, in others they may be woefully out of date or inaccurate.

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