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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
anastasia writes: I was thinking of having a round-table type discussion with other creationists/IDists of any persuasion, about the specifics of the creation event. Do you mean events? Like the event of the creation/beginning of the universe, creation of the cosmos, creation of planet earth, creation of solar bodies relative to planet earth , creation of plants and fish and finally creation of animals, birds and man. As I understand the Genesis record there were many creation events each in it's own time and implying an eternal universe and creator/designer.
anastasia writes: Here are some sample questions: How long did the creation event last? Universe = never happened - always existed with God forever managing via creating, revising and destroying for his own purpose and pleasure.Sun & moon, Solar System and possibly Milky Way = day four, undetermined in length as were the first three days, the sun and moon first created in day four and becoming the measure for length of days et al thereafter. Earth = Unknown Plants = one solar day Birds & Sea life= One solar day. Animals and mankind, one solar day. anastasia writes: When did it occur? Universe= Again never, being eternal.Planet Earth = Non-solar days one and two. Plants=Non-solar day three Sun, Moon, Solar System and possibly Milky Way= partially non-solar day four. Birds, sea life = Solar day five Animals and man = Solar day six. anastasia writes: Do you believe it is 'finished', or ongoing? Ongoing, the next prophesied creation event being the new heavens, new earth and an unimaginably splendorous new Jerusalem, all after millenial messianic rule and subsequent destruction of planet earth, Solar System by fire.
anastasia writes: How much intelligence or preplanning went into the creation itself? Imo Biblical account implies all things intricately and intelligently designed individually into completed state absent of NS and RM et al.
anastasia writes:
Total chance = none so far as original creation goes. Some micro adjustment/evolution ongoing.
How much was left to chance? anastasia writes:
Whole
Did God build up the design in small stages which are observable by science, or create 'whole' specimens? anastasia writes: Is God in any way part of the creation, guiding its progress? All the way, madear, all the way (ABE via his multipresent Holy Spirit).  Thanks for asking all the above. It may clarify positions of us for future reference. Btw, when do we get your answers to the above questions?  The hour is late & tired. Did brief review for mistakes. Hope not too messed up. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given. Edited by Buzsaw, : fix length of time for plants. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
arach writes: "the heavens" which contain the sun and moon and stars are created on day two. quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And God said: 'Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. Genesis 1:6-8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Earth = Unknown earth is created on day three. quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And God said: 'Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear.' And it was so. And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas; and God saw that it was good. And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas; and God saw that it was good. ... And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. Genesis 1:8-10, 13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Plants=Unknown plants are also created on day three. quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And God said: 'Let the earth put forth grass, herb yielding seed, and fruit-tree bearing fruit after its kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth.' And it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, herb yielding seed after its kind, and tree bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after its kind; and God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. Genesis 1:11-13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- these actions appear to be complete, as god then moves on. The distinctions are clearly implied in the text. Genesis 1:1 begins with an introductory statement to the effect that when the earth and heavens were created God did it. The actual day one does not begin until the Spirit begins to move upon the desolate void earth. The days are relative to the work being done on each day. All we know for sure about the length of days one, two, three is that their was no means of determining the days since the sun, moon, solar system, and stars relative to earth did not exist and the length of day four is undetermined also. Therefore the length of those days in not known except for which day. I edited a change on length of days on plants as that was my mistake in my statement. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Genesis 1:1's introductory statement is about the cosmos and the planet earth, not the firmament between the earth waters and sky waters/clouds which are relative to only the earth's atmosphere, so day three is not when planet earth was created nor is day two when the cosmos heavens were created. This thread topic is about your take on the creation account. Why not itemize your own as I have done? Btw, I did have plant day as solar day 3, i.e. one 24 hour day later in my original statement. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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