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Author Topic:   Glenn Morton hypothesis: The Flood could ONLY have happened 5 million+ years ago
Minnemooseus
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Message 8 of 130 (391446)
03-25-2007 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by mpb1
03-24-2007 9:38 PM


Glenn Morton elsewhere at evcforum.net
Three plus years ago I started the "Links and Information" topic Glenn Morton's attempt at reconcilling the Genesis story and the worldly story. That topic contains the link A Theory for Creationists , where Morton proposes that the Genesis flood story best connects to the filling of the dry Mediterranean basin, apparently some +/- 5 million years ago.
Moose
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Had the wrong link for the first cite.

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Minnemooseus
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Message 96 of 130 (392423)
03-31-2007 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by lao tzu
03-31-2007 5:03 AM


Mediterranean vs. Mesopotamian flood
In order to preserve a biblical claim, he rejects the clear evidence of far more mundane origins for the biblical flood story.
While I am inclined towards the "far more mundane origins" (and perhaps even Glenn Morton is), it is his here effort to fuse worldly history with Biblical claims. A real, major flood that happened at about the same time as earliest hominid history.
Now, I don't recall what Glenn's opinions about the ark are, but I'm very much inclined to think the whole ark concept is silly. Would all (or even much) of humanity and the Earth's creatures of that time be living within the Mediterranean basin? I don't think so. Also, for the ark to land on Mt. Ararat (Turkey) would require much more than the Mediterranean flood.
A more serious criticism arises from the lack of any method to carry the tale across 5 million years, call it 250,000 generations of pre-literacy with no assurance of even the capability of an oral tradition.
Now, in the context of a powerful creator God, I don't see this as a problem. God could have relayed the history of the flood to Moses lo those millions of years later (I'm serious, this isn't the sarcasm mode).

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 118 of 130 (392731)
04-01-2007 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by grmorton
04-01-2007 11:17 PM


All animal life (including humanoid) in the Mediterranean basin?
Glenn, your scenario seems to require that all animal life was within the Mediterranean basin. This makes no sense to me. Wasn't the basin environment highly uninviting?
Even if such were the case, why didn't God just have Noah and familiy and animals make the hike to higher ground, rather than blowing a bunch of time building an ark?
Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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