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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
There may be somewhere where peregrines are extinct, but the species is still around. Is it? Man, I really need to stay away from birds - it's like my kryptonite on this forum.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
The numbers of raptors were badly hit by DDT, but they have been recovering quite well in more recent years. Pigeon fanciers over here have been complaining that there are too many peregrines around - blaming them for the loss of racing pigeons.
[Added in edit]Looking around on the web it seems that peregrines are locally extinct in many parts of the U.S. where they used to live. In this case part of the problem with birds is that because they fly they are often widely distributed. In the case of Peregrines that is literally worldwide ("every continent except Antarctica, says one source). [This message has been edited by PaulK, 06-19-2003]
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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
I think if humans and dinos co-existed then we should find signs of not just human remains, but signs of human activity on the same level as dinos.
Maybe some tools or other artefacts, but we got nothing. Another weird thing, if the flood was 4400 years ago as the bible claims then there would only be about 10 people to build the great pyramid of Cheops ! lol and all those other ancient civilisations of course.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
I was going to email the guy on the link, guess what, he is begging for money on the email address page ! lol
At present, I am in dire financial need. If you are able to help please contact me at job41@yahoo.com Probably needs money to pay his Harvard University expenses. He also says
If you are emailing me to say thanks and to encourage me - please do. I have spent 6 years, and thousands of dollars on this site. I have done it without ever asking anything in return. Positive feedback lets me know someone out there is reading, and helps me to continue this long and difficult work. I was under the impression that angelfire.com is a free web site, does this mean he spent thousands on research lol. These people get more whacko by the minute. How can he seriously claim an ice age 4400 years ago? The poor Egyptians must have been caught in that too, not to mention the entire population of the third ming dynasty!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Brian Johnston writes:
quote: No, the Great Pyramid was completed centuries before the flood (the Pyramid of Khufu about 2600 BCE while the flood was about 2250 BCE if we accept the chronology of the Bible.) There would have been plenty of people around to build the Great Pyramid. However...it should have extensive flood damage and it doesn't. Seems like it's been in a desert for the past 4600 years.... ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
You're forgettign Flood Geology - according to Flood Geology the pyramid should be deeply buried in rock. Except that it couldn't be built because the stone it is made from is a product of the Flood.
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IrishRockhound Member (Idle past 4463 days) Posts: 569 From: Ireland Joined: |
Remember now, we're waiting for something about tropical animals in the Arctic ice... will Buzsaw please oblige us?
The Rock Hound ------------------"Science constantly poses questions, where religion can only shout about answers." |
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
My thinking on this comes mostly from the Bible. I look at modern reptiles and consider the curse of the serpent.
1. The text says the curse would transform the "serpent" into another type of serpent which would be a belly crawler.2. The text also says the serpents were more intelligent than the other animals. 3. It makes sense that the originals were legged creatures with some resemblence of what their cursed offspring would would become. 4. Likely the cursed creature would become smaller and less intelligent. 5. If you take, for example a barosaurus and remove his legs, shrink him down and eliminate the fat portion of his body, about all you have left is a snake reptile. 6. Again, you take some of them shaped like the certaosaurus, diminish him and shorten the legs with a little modification and you have a komoto dragon, crocodile or and alligator. 7. Both the dino and the modern creature lays eggs, unusual for animals. 8. Both have web type feet. 9. Many of both were amphibious. [This message has been edited by buzsaw, 06-20-2003]
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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
5. If you take, for example a barosaurus and remove his legs, shrink him down and eliminate the fat portion of his body, about all you have left is a snake reptile. 6. Again, you take some of them shaped like the certaosaurus, diminish him and shorten the legs with a little modification and you have a komoto dragon, crocodile or and alligator. ROFLMAO, and you have the cheek to laugh at evolution ! How long did it take for these changes to happen, or were they instantaneous? Brian.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: POOF! MAgic is GREAT, isn't it Buz? You can imagine any kind of scenario and with your magic God-wand, and POOF! You can make anything possible! Whatever. Anyway, what about your dating method claims. I seem to recall that you said that they were ALL bogus, and I seem to remember asking you to explain how they were. Why don't you start with Potassium/Argon?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: With all due respect, for the good of your students I hope you did a better job on understanding these books than you've demonstrated for the book of Amos here.
quote: Either very liberal view on Biblical interpretation, or little regard for it's credibility.
quote: You see how little time I have for this activity. I just don't have time for much reading. I pick up quite a lot from the web now.
quote: But my statement was based on my time frame, not yours. Didn't you understand it would be so when you asked? There would have been substantial glacer movement, especially early post flood.
quote:.....Or it must interpret according to the flood timeframe and recognize as I have stated that there was considerable glacial movement after the flood which I believe it does for the most part. quote: quote: That's their perogative. Others would not agree with their opinion of him and his good work. You all would date the coal the artifacts are incased in as billions of years older than the artifact in it. That's your big problem. What is your explanation for this?
quote: I've heard and read about the problems with these, but not able to rattle it off to you. I'd have to refresh up on it all. It's not all that simple to explain and imo, too much of another topic. But this scenario is inconsistent with the evidence.
quote: There's no way anybody can factor in all that has gone over the dam in all these eons of ages. That's just liberal lackademic allegation, imo.
quote: You're not being fair, Percy. You're making my statements look foolish by framing my statements in your timeframes and not the timeframe I had in mind when I made the statements. As you well know, I consider your timeframes as bogus as you consider Carl Baugh's artifacts and both are scientists who interpret what is observed honestly according to their views.
quote: .......And, of course, you have the task of proving my understanding of the supernatural transformation of the long legged into the shortie false, don't you? For to do that, you've gotta prove God (Jehovah that is) doesn't exist. (Btw, for the record I'm not a so called Jehovahs Witness) I often designate which god I refer to as there's so many gods emerging on the western scene nowadays.}
quote: 1. I didn't say they lost their legs, though some were transformed to be legless. I used the term, "belly crawlers."2. There was likely such a transormation in this cursing that modern scientists would naturally consider them to be different orders. They would acturally have become a new order of beast in the process. quote: I'm sure you understood that what I was referring to was an "order" and not a species, though I used the wrong wording. How many orders have gone extinct in the animal world? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------This message is a reply to: Message 9 by buzsaw, posted 06-18-2003 11:33 PM [This message has been edited by buzsaw, 06-20-2003]
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: Genesis 3:14 plainly states the serpent's curse was to become a belly crawler. The curse was a supernatural phenomena effected by a supernatural god who according to the text created the animals in the first place. What would you expect me as a Biblicallist to believe from this statement? [This message has been edited by buzsaw, 06-20-2003]
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wj Inactive Member |
Buzsaw, where is the evidence for tropical animals frozen in Arctic ice?
This is the third time I have asked this question. Failure to answer this time would reflect very poorly on your credibility.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You can't have it both ways, Buz. You can't say you are being scientific in one breath and in the very next invoke magic to make your scenario possible. If all you are going to do is wave your magic God-wand every time your story needs to circumvent all known physics, biology, geology, or logic, then what you claim about the evidence or "scientificness" of your proposed scenarios is nullified. You can't change the tenets and rules of scientific inquiry whenever they become inconvenient for your scenario and still call what you are doing scientific. Believe what you want, by all means, but do not pretend that science supports it. Since you are willing to use your magic God-wand so often anyway, why is it important that your senarios are backed scientifically, anyway?
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I can't help but notice that you have failed for a second time to address my questions about your claim that all the dating methods are bogus, Buz.
Can you explain in detail, please, how each of the dozen or so radiometric dating methods are bogus? Also, please explain why it is that each of these flawed methods returns the same date for the same rock tested? IOW, how are they each flawed in such a way as to return consistent results when the same sample is tested? Why not start with K/Ar, as I suggested? It wouldn't be the case that you don't know the first thing about radiometric dating, would it? [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 06-21-2003]
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