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AdminBen
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Message 211 of 300 (251140)
10-12-2005 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Faith
10-12-2005 12:18 PM


Re: thread reopen request
No guidelines? No page of instructions?
Learn by example and by asking questions. The second-guessing is your "guideline." Experience on the board is your "page of instructions." And ready and willing colleagues make it all work.
(By the way, my post about the thread reopen request was basically a thread-don't-reopen request that got out of hand.)
I know. I try to be willing to step out of the way and let users inform each other... it's the whole "got out of hand" thing that drew my response. If you're going to step in, do it cleanly. Otherwise, stand aside. Every good admin has to have a strong set of admin pet peeves.

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Faith 
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Message 212 of 300 (251142)
10-12-2005 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by AdminBen
10-12-2005 12:23 PM


Re: thread reopen request
Akshully, Ben, thanks for the invite, which has also been extended by Percy on other occasions, but the hostility shown to me by certain of the current admins (and I've been VERY good lately so I know I haven't provoked it) is the reason I'm not going to take you up on it. Thanks anyway.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 213 of 300 (251144)
10-12-2005 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by AdminBen
10-12-2005 11:20 AM


Re: thread reopen request
Requests for thread reopenings should go to the "Thread Reopen Requests" thread.
lol, that makes sence. I honestly didn't see it.
At first I thought you were complaining about how AdminPhat handled the situation.
Nah, I figured the name calling would get noticed. I just felt like I had her on her heals and was gonna make some progress and then it gets shut down and now I'll probably never get the reply I wanted to see. But if she thinks she is just beating a dead horse the reply might have been worthless anyways.
After reading the thread subtitle (somehow the last thing I read) I'm pretty sure you're just asking for the thread to be reopened.
Is that right?
Yes.
I cannot believe and am angered by Faith replying to the message and it took all of my willpower to not reply back which I realized would just bring the debate to this thread.

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AdminBen
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Message 214 of 300 (251146)
10-12-2005 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Faith
10-12-2005 12:28 PM


Re: thread reopen request
Sure. It's not my job to recruit people; that's Moose's job. And it's totally up to you, of course.
But what I do ask (we all ask, really) is that if you're not interested in being an admin, then try and stay conscious not to participate like an admin. Give us time to address the issues. I think sometimes you have a habit of addressing admin-type issues in the course of writing your flurries of replies. Try to stay conscious of it, and give the admins time to sift through things and address them ourselves. Even though it may seem like there's 1000 of us, we're still fairly slow in some cases.
Thanks.

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    AdminBen
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    Message 215 of 300 (251148)
    10-12-2005 12:41 PM
    Reply to: Message 213 by New Cat's Eye
    10-12-2005 12:32 PM


    Re: thread reopen request
    I cannot believe and am angered by Faith replying to the message and it took all of my willpower to not reply back which I realized would just bring the debate to this thread.
    I understand, and I REALLY appreciate that willpower. I'm addressing that issue with Faith now. Hopefully she'll understand that her reply to your post would be inappropriate as well. People should be able to request admin review of things without having regular users, especially those involved in the issues, following them.
    I do really appreciate your restraint in this case. That was the right thing to do.

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    Admin
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    Message 216 of 300 (251165)
    10-12-2005 1:39 PM
    Reply to: Message 210 by Faith
    10-12-2005 12:18 PM


    Re: thread reopen request
    Faith writes:
    No guidelines? No page of instructions?
    There is a webpage of moderator guidelines made available to new moderators after the fact (so as to give them no oppportunity to change their minds ).
    This message has been edited by Admin, 10-12-2005 02:53 PM

    --Percy
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    Message 217 of 300 (251170)
    10-12-2005 2:05 PM
    Reply to: Message 212 by Faith
    10-12-2005 12:28 PM


    Re: thread reopen request
    Faith writes:
    Akshully, Ben, thanks for the invite, which has also been extended by Percy on other occasions, but the hostility shown to me by certain of the current admins (and I've been VERY good lately so I know I haven't provoked it) is the reason I'm not going to take you up on it. Thanks anyway.
    Teasers get what they deserve - ** - you're a moderator. So sorry! You'll notice the Private Admin Forum now shows up on various pages, I'll post the link to the moderator guidelines there in a new thread, as well as other information.
    I've also turned on all your privileges, you have full board access now.

    --Percy
    EvC Forum Director

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    Brian
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    Message 218 of 300 (251230)
    10-12-2005 5:06 PM
    Reply to: Message 217 by Admin
    10-12-2005 2:05 PM


    Re: thread reopen request
    Can you explain the reasoning behind Faith's appointment?
    Cheers.
    Brian.

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    Nighttrain
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    Message 219 of 300 (251286)
    10-12-2005 7:40 PM
    Reply to: Message 211 by AdminBen
    10-12-2005 12:23 PM


    Re: thread reopen request
    Every good admin has to have a strong set of admin pet peeves
    Hi,AB. To avoid flagellation descending from unsuspected directions, any chance we could see a list of Admins X Pet Peeves? That way we can know who to suck up to and who to dodge.

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    AdminBen
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    Message 220 of 300 (251299)
    10-12-2005 8:14 PM
    Reply to: Message 219 by Nighttrain
    10-12-2005 7:40 PM


    Re: thread reopen request
    Haha I was actually thinking of starting a thread on that very subject... with the stipulation that admins themselves could not describe their pet peeves; users had to figure it out from observation.
    Here's a hint though: just about everything is covered in the special little box attached to this message which we call our "admin signature." Feel free to start calling it the "peeve box." Read it, understand it, and follow it, and you'll be our "little angel."

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    Nighttrain
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    Message 221 of 300 (251309)
    10-12-2005 9:03 PM
    Reply to: Message 220 by AdminBen
    10-12-2005 8:14 PM


    Re: thread reopen request
    I guess the majority of offences fall under either 'adhomming' or wandering off topic. While I prefer the rapier to a blunt block of wood, a lot of ad homs have a beauty of their own, and if the recipient applauded the mastery of English instead of taking it to heart, we mightn`t degenerate into a reprimand. And while the ideal thread would go from A to B, should off topic comments be chastised when gems are being dropped into the convo? Such a fine balancing act demanded of our admins.May they err on the side of creativity.:-P

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    Trixie
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    Message 222 of 300 (251362)
    10-13-2005 3:49 AM
    Reply to: Message 217 by Admin
    10-12-2005 2:05 PM


    Re: thread reopen request
    I'd like to echo Brian's request. It would be nice if we were at least informed of the rationale behind the decision.

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    iano
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    Message 223 of 300 (251438)
    10-13-2005 12:11 PM
    Reply to: Message 204 by Admin
    10-12-2005 11:11 AM


    Re: Another Opinion on Scientific Discussion with Creationists
    Percy writes:
    It means that in the science forums one must argue scientifically. This doesn't mean that you must accept the TOE, but only that objections raised to the TOE must be scientifically well founded.
    Does that mean it is reasonable to request that the words 'science/scientifically' be replaced by the word 'biblical' and the word 'TOE' could be replaced with 'Bible' in the relevant fora
    I won't hold my breath...

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    Message 224 of 300 (251441)
    10-13-2005 12:16 PM
    Reply to: Message 223 by iano
    10-13-2005 12:11 PM


    Re: Another Opinion on Scientific Discussion with Creationists
    The Bible is certianly Evidence in a Faith oriented Forum but of course carries no more weight than any of the other regligous texts. Nor can it outweigh physical evidence that can be independently verified.
    The big difference is that in the Faith Forums an answer of "Well, I don't believe that" is acceptable where simple disbelieve would not be acceptable in a Science Forum.

    Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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    arachnophilia
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    Message 225 of 300 (251618)
    10-13-2005 10:55 PM
    Reply to: Message 191 by Ben!
    10-10-2005 6:29 PM


    Re: D.H.R. expresses concerns over special consideration.
    This probably doesn't belong here... but I'm not sure where to go.
    There's a time and place for logical thinking and evidence. And there's a time and place for working outside of that. The debate is not about TruthTM but a lot less than that, and a lot more than that.
    yes, i agree.
    Your post sounds to me like you think creation vs. evolution is a debate only about scientific theory and the history of life. I don't think so. Because of that, it IS possible to have both scientists and non-scientists here, just as it is possible to have both believers and non-believers.
    well, i think you misunderstood what i meant. yes, there was some fundie-mocking in there, i will admit. but the point i was trying to make is exactly what you said. one said really does have nothing to do with evidence.
    we look at truth different ways, science has one approach, religion has another. if don't allow the religious approach, we are indirectly limiting the debate and not allowing religous fundamentalists -- the core opponents here -- to debate.
    and that's not FAIR. so we have to make allowances for religion, even if it allwos the crackpots and numerologists and pyramidologists too.
    The purpose, in my eyes, is to find the boundaries of what kind of thinking and what kind of knowledge is applicable where and when, and to find ways to deal with each other.
    well, the religion has a lot to say abotu the science. who says "god's trying to trick you with evidence!" is NOT a valid argument? heck, maybe they're even right. you certainly can't prove it.
    Like I said, I think this takes a really narrow view of what's going on here. I don't think this is the case. And I don't think admins have to compromise as much as you think.
    i think they have to compromise more. i've noticed a lack of fundamentalists and evangelicals on the board lately. haven't you?

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