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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Message 11
Also, can I report the perseids for not showing themselves to me? It's a problem, and I want to discuss it....so it's a discussion problem HA. edit: disregard. It's too early apparently. I'm impatient and have to get up early. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. "A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise A morning filled with 400 billion suns The rising of the milky way" -Carl Sagan |
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Archaeologist has been doing the Gish Gallop, throwing out so many different things that there is no way to stay on topic.
Example Message 104.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Archaeologist has been doing the Gish Gallop... My impression is things got even worse since you posted your message. I try my hardest to not suspend those of the creationism side, but here I found that it had to be done (suspension announcement). The various admins need to consult on this matter - That will probably happen in the Private Administrative Forum. Time will tell, what public pronouncement comes out of that. PLEASE, NO REPLIES TO THIS MESSAGE. Doing such may get you a suspension of your own. Adminnemooseus
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Perhaps Admin (abe: Purpledawn) could explain why member Buzsaw's message in the Circular Thinking Thread should be tagged as off topic when member Purpledawn's was not tagged as off topic.
Both member Purpledawn and member Buzsaw's messages pertained to evidence. My message was a response to PaulK who implicated believers as the only members who's MO was circular thinking, allegedly producing no evidence.
Message 119purpledawn writes:
As an onlooker, I'm very disappointed. I have been waiting for you to show me the difference between what you were originally claiming and what crashfrog is claiming. I don't see a difference.You expect real time evidence from crashfrog, and claim God is providing real time evidence. What you haven't shown is the real time evidence that you feel God is providing. All you offer for evidence is a book where the newest additions are over 1500 years old. The evidence may have been real time for the people back then, but what is available today? To remain the ultimate authority throughout time, real time evidence would need to be available for authentication in every generation. Where in the Bible does God actually claim to be the ultimate authority over everything?Give a few examples from the Bible of the evidence that backs up that claim. Provide current evidence that you feel still backs up that original claim today. Buzsaw writes: Message 132Because the evidence is IN DISPUTE, who is convinced depends on the ideological mindset of who is convinced and who is not convinced OF THE DISPUTED EVIDENCE, so around and around (implicating circularity in both ideological camps) we merrily go, debating the DISPUTED EVIDENCE. Secularists DISPUTE EVIDENCE like fulfilled prophecy, application of historical data, geology, and interpretations of archeological discoveries, geneological data, mysterious phenomena, human cultures and observed complexity. Creationist believers DISPUTE EVIDENCE like dating methodology, mathmatical calculations, application of two, four, ten and eleven etc dimensional models for a three metric dimensional universe, historical data, geology, interpretations of archeological discoveries, geneological data, mysterious phenomena, human cultures and observed complexity. (color emphasis, mine) Edited by Buzsaw, : add name BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Archaeologist is back, and is still preaching and reciting catechism in the Science Forum.
There is no argument or evidence pertaining to science. The whole post is actually anti-science and anti-knowledge.
Message 108
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3663 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Yep, have to agree 100% with Coyote. archaeologist should not be allowed in the science fora - he shows no desire what-so-ever to connect with any information supplied, and dismisses all evidence with a shrug and a "na, that's obviously not true because I can think of the following..." I'm not sure why anyone is engaging him there.
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AdminPD Inactive Administrator |
quote:The difference is that PurpleDawn (me) is addressing the self authentication issue and the evidence required by the originator for self authentication concerning ultimate authorities. Your post seems to be addressing the general body of evidence that Christians provide for their belief. That isn't what the discussion is about. It is about Pauline's argument concerning circular reasoning. Since I don't see that your post deals with circular reasoning at all or any of the issues presented by Pauline, it was tagged off topic to prevent the potential for topic drift. Read the OP.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
AdminPD writes: Your post seems to be addressing the general body of evidence that Christians provide for their belief. That isn't what the discussion is about. It is about Pauline's argument concerning circular reasoning. Thanks for responding, AdminPD. The messages that led up to my message pertained to circular reasoning. WSW24 alluded to the need for evidence relative to circular reasoning. PaulK responds, alleging that believers don't have evidence, implying that they are the circular reasoners. My message was to the effect that whether the evidence is viable depends on the ideology of the one making the assessment. That's why I said something like "around and around we go, debating the issues." You chose to tag my message rather than PaulKs. If mine was off topic, so was his. His MO is to continually make these blind asserted statements that prophecy always fails. Had I not responded, he gets his property bash in. I'll let it slide and move on. Perhaps it would be good for you to check what leads up to creationist's messages which occasionally on the surface appear to be off topic. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1275 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Can you find the spam in Message 7?
{AbE}AdminAsgara FTW! Edited by subbie, : Winner declared! Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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archaeologist Inactive Member |
archaeologist, One can have a good and honest discussion with unbelievers and those believers who believe differently than yourself. The trick is to argue the position and not the person. Also abide by the rules of the forum. Rule #4: Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions. Providing evidence or reasoned argumentation for your opinions help to move the discussion forward. This is a debate board. People are going to disagree with you. Even on the religious side you need to be able to support your position otherwise the discussion doesn't move forward. please stop posting these thngs as if i am the only violater. i am not. this message wa sposted right underneath a secularist who did not follow any of the rules once. don't single me out when the whole board ignores the rules at some point, especially when they address me. now i may not do this everytime but i am one of the few who does support his arguments, presents evidence, and links, quotes etc. so please take the blinders off.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Dear archaeologist,
I assume I am the secularist you are referring to when you say:
archaeologist writes:
The reason I didn't follow the rules is because I was posting in the same manner you were, in the (perhaps futile) hope that a lightbulb would go on in your head and you would see that this is not a productive way of posting.
please stop posting these thngs as if i am the only violater. i am not. this message wa sposted right underneath a secularist who did not follow any of the rules once. don't single me out when the whole board ignores the rules at some point, especially when they address me.
They are simply responding in kind. If you can clearly see that the way they are responding to you is not productive, perhaps you should think about changing your own posting style. Because that's exactly the impression we are getting from you.
now i may not do this everytime but i am one of the few who does support his arguments, presents evidence, and links, quotes etc. so please take the blinders off.
I think that you'll find that virtually evereyone you had a discussion with will disagree with you on this. And no, that is not because "everybody hates you/god/the bible/the truth or loves to sin/lead others astray". I don;t think anyone here hates you (well, perhaps Hooah does), nor do they hate god, in fact there is at least one other member (jar) who you've been talking to, and I can assure you he does not hate god. In short, some friendly advice, if you are asked for evidence of something, don;t go spouting off that people don't want to believe because they hate god or something or other, present the evidence. That will get you much farther than essentially insulting people by calling them dishonest.
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AdminPD Inactive Administrator |
As members, we are guests on this board and as guests we are asked to put forth our best behavior and follow the Forum Guidelines.
Rule #1 is to follow moderator requests. Since you've joined this board, you seem to have difficulty providing evidence or reasoned argumentation for your position. Moderators are trying to help you understand what you need to be a productive member. If you'll notice, I did post a reminder to the other members under my comment to you. I know they will adjust their approach per my request. You haven't learned to adjust your approach when requested. That's why you get a personal message. If you have provided evidence in the thread already, then refer opponents back to that post. You are not the first to receive an Administrative Message and won't be the last. I will continue to post these types of messages as long as you continue on your current path. In that thread, at that point, you are not providing evidence to support your claims. You've only caused your opponents to mirror your approach, which doesn't move the discussion forward. Please follow moderator requests and adjust accordingly. ThanksAdminPD
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AdminPD Inactive Administrator |
quote:In case you haven't noticed, that mirror tactic doesn't work. I suggest you adjust and stop using it. Be an example and not a mirror. ThanksAdminPD
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
AdminPD writes:
Being a mirror and explaining it might. In case you haven't noticed, that mirror tactic doesn't work. I suggest you adjust and stop using it. Anyway, I hope the message was clear to archeaologist, back to regular programming.
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Admin Director Posts: 13014 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9
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Hi Archaeologist,
The moderators have realistic expectations about conformance to the Forum Guidelines. Our view is that as long as someone is following most of the guidelines most of the time then that's pretty good. In the view of the moderator team the member exhibiting the worst conformance to the Forum Guidelines over the past few weeks has been yourself. These are the Forum Guidelines you seem to be having the most problems with:
Your approach to discussion could be summarized as blustery, accusatory and complaining, combined with avoidance of central issues. You're still a relatively new member learning how EvC Forum works and are not in any danger of permanent suspension at the present time, but unless you begin demonstrating improved adherence to the Forum Guidelines and making your general approach to discussion more constructive you will over time draw increasing amounts of attention from moderators.
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