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Message 11Also, can I report the perseids for not showing themselves to me? It's a problem, and I want to discuss it....so it's a discussion problem HA.edit: disregard. It's too early apparently. I'm impatient and have to get up early.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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Archaeologist has been doing the Gish Gallop, throwing out so many different things that there is no way to stay on topic.Example Message 104.

My impression is things got even worse since you posted your message.I try my hardest to not suspend those of the creationism side, but here I found that it had to be done (suspension announcement). The various admins need to consult on this matter - That will probably happen in the Private Administrative Forum. Time will tell, what public pronouncement comes out of that.PLEASE, NO REPLIES TO THIS MESSAGE. Doing such may get you a suspension of your own.Adminnemooseus

Perhaps Admin (abe: Purpledawn) could explain why member Buzsaw's message in the Circular Thinking Thread should be tagged as off topic when member Purpledawn's was not tagged as off topic.Both member Purpledawn and member Buzsaw's messages pertained to evidence. My message was a response to PaulK who implicated believers as the only members who's MO was circular thinking, allegedly producing no evidence. Message 119(color emphasis, mine) Edited by Buzsaw, : add name

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Archaeologist is back, and is still preaching and reciting catechism in the Science Forum.There is no argument or evidence pertaining to science. The whole post is actually anti-science and anti-knowledge. Message 108

Yep, have to agree 100% with Coyote. archaeologist should not be allowed in the science fora - he shows no desire what-so-ever to connect with any information supplied, and dismisses all evidence with a shrug and a "na, that's obviously not true because I can think of the following..." I'm not sure why anyone is engaging him there.

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Perhaps Admin (abe: Purpledawn) could explain why member Buzsaw's message in the Circular Thinking Thread should be tagged as off topic when member Purpledawn's was not tagged as off topic.

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Both member Purpledawn and member Buzsaw's messages pertained to evidence. My message was a response to PaulK who implicated believers as the only members who's MO was circular thinking, allegedly producing no evidence.

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The difference is that PurpleDawn (me) is addressing the self authentication issue and the evidence required by the originator for self authentication concerning ultimate authorities.Your post seems to be addressing the general body of evidence that Christians provide for their belief. That isn't what the discussion is about. It is about Pauline's argument concerning circular reasoning.Since I don't see that your post deals with circular reasoning at all or any of the issues presented by Pauline, it was tagged off topic to prevent the potential for topic drift.Read the OP.

Thanks for responding, AdminPD. The messages that led up to my message pertained to circular reasoning. WSW24 alluded to the need for evidence relative to circular reasoning. PaulK responds, alleging that believers don't have evidence, implying that they are the circular reasoners. My message was to the effect that whether the evidence is viable depends on the ideology of the one making the assessment. That's why I said something like "around and around we go, debating the issues."You chose to tag my message rather than PaulKs. If mine was off topic, so was his. His MO is to continually make these blind asserted statements that prophecy always fails. Had I not responded, he gets his property bash in.I'll let it slide and move on. Perhaps it would be good for you to check what leads up to creationist's messages which occasionally on the surface appear to be off topic.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Can you find the spam in Message 7?{AbE}AdminAsgara FTW!Edited by subbie, : Winner declared!

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas JeffersonFor we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- PhatIt has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

please stop posting these thngs as if i am the only violater. i am not. this message wa sposted right underneath a secularist who did not follow any of the rules once.don't single me out when the whole board ignores the rules at some point, especially when they address me.now i may not do this everytime but i am one of the few who does support his arguments, presents evidence, and links, quotes etc. so please take the blinders off.

Dear archaeologist,I assume I am the secularist you are referring to when you say: The reason I didn't follow the rules is because I was posting in the same manner you were, in the (perhaps futile) hope that a lightbulb would go on in your head and you would see that this is not a productive way of posting. They are simply responding in kind. If you can clearly see that the way they are responding to you is not productive, perhaps you should think about changing your own posting style. Because that's exactly the impression we are getting from you. I think that you'll find that virtually evereyone you had a discussion with will disagree with you on this. And no, that is not because "everybody hates you/god/the bible/the truth or loves to sin/lead others astray". I don;t think anyone here hates you (well, perhaps Hooah does), nor do they hate god, in fact there is at least one other member (jar) who you've been talking to, and I can assure you he does not hate god.In short, some friendly advice, if you are asked for evidence of something, don;t go spouting off that people don't want to believe because they hate god or something or other, present the evidence. That will get you much farther than essentially insulting people by calling them dishonest.

As members, we are guests on this board and as guests we are asked to put forth our best behavior and follow the Forum Guidelines.Rule #1 is to follow moderator requests. Since you've joined this board, you seem to have difficulty providing evidence or reasoned argumentation for your position. Moderators are trying to help you understand what you need to be a productive member.If you'll notice, I did post a reminder to the other members under my comment to you.I know they will adjust their approach per my request. You haven't learned to adjust your approach when requested. That's why you get a personal message. If you have provided evidence in the thread already, then refer opponents back to that post.You are not the first to receive an Administrative Message and won't be the last. I will continue to post these types of messages as long as you continue on your current path.In that thread, at that point, you are not providing evidence to support your claims. You've only caused your opponents to mirror your approach, which doesn't move the discussion forward.Please follow moderator requests and adjust accordingly.Thanks
AdminPD

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They are simply responding in kind. If you can clearly see that the way they are responding to you is not productive, perhaps you should think about changing your own posting style. Because that's exactly the impression we are getting from you.

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In case you haven't noticed, that mirror tactic doesn't work. I suggest you adjust and stop using it.Be an example and not a mirror.Thanks
AdminPD

Being a mirror and explaining it might.Anyway, I hope the message was clear to archeaologist, back to regular programming.

Hi Archaeologist,The moderators have realistic expectations about conformance to the Forum Guidelines. Our view is that as long as someone is following most of the guidelines most of the time then that's pretty good.In the view of the moderator team the member exhibiting the worst conformance to the Forum Guidelines over the past few weeks has been yourself. These are the Forum Guidelines you seem to be having the most problems with:

1. Follow all moderator requests.
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2. Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
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4. Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.
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5. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.
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10. Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics.

Your approach to discussion could be summarized as blustery, accusatory and complaining, combined with avoidance of central issues.You're still a relatively new member learning how EvC Forum works and are not in any danger of permanent suspension at the present time, but unless you begin demonstrating improved adherence to the Forum Guidelines and making your general approach to discussion more constructive you will over time draw increasing amounts of attention from moderators.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director