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Author Topic:   Food for Noah's Ark survivors.
CTD
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Message 80 of 105 (395259)
04-15-2007 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by ringo
04-10-2007 12:16 PM


Re: Re-Noah's Flood
Ringo writes:
I think you're just making that up. I don't see anywhere in the text where anybody was given a chance to repent after the flood was announced.
Any repenters would only have aggravated the food shortage.
I think you're just making that up. I don't see anywhere in the text where anybody was given a food shortage.
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Now then. For any creationist who wants to bother, none of the objections are terribly serious. These people forget about manna, but we haven't. They'll try to make it seem "shameful" if God is expected to directly intervene. As if!
Even so, God may have used natural means to provide for the survivors. God is clever, and if I can find ways to "handle" these things, I don't think He'd miss it. The earlier saltwater/freshwater issue is easily resolved if one knows about thermal layers. They're critical in submarine warfare, so that's where to start your searching. Basically, if the water from the rain and fountains was warmer than the saltwater, it wouldn't mix. And we don't know the volume of the pre-flood oceans, for that matter... oops - I almost let an invalid assumption slide past!
There are so many false assumptions you'll encounter in these objections! The continents weren't where they are now, neither was the land all at its present elevation. Most flood models have a pangean continental mass breaking up during & after the flood. They'll always try to sucker you into assuming present continental positions. And they'll try to imply that since there are few researchers, and flood geology is far from complete; it must be wrong - if they hold true to historic patterns of behaviour.
There's nothing I know of which would prevent polar icecaps on one or both poles, and a small pre-flood ice age could preserve some seeds and some microbes. They'll want to go species-by-species if you use this one. They also won't admit that most plants grow just fine on a compost heap, and there would be plenty of dead plant mass around.
The duration of the flood over the whole earth is also unknown. They'll go for max duration - buy their timeframe if you like; but you don't have to.
Even at present, Mt. Ararat isn't the highest point on earth; and I doubt that Noah landed the ark on the tip top of the mountain. It's a big world, and other areas could easily have been higher. Every time elevations come up, they'll assume present elevations. You've gotta watch 'em really close on that.
Now if anyone wants to argue about this, you've got a starting place. Feel free to e-mail me if they come up with anything better. Don't expect 'em to concede even the most obvious point. Some will, but others will just argue forever as if it helps their case to keep saying stupider and stupider things. The ones that quit on a hopeless point will chip in and try to distract the discussion by questioning every sentence you submit (with the dumbest questions they can imagine, and they've had practice). Rarely will they raise a half-valid point.
But have a go, if you're game.
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CTD
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Message 82 of 105 (395284)
04-15-2007 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by ringo
04-15-2007 8:23 PM


Re: Re-Noah's Flood
Nice reasoning there: because Noah took food, there was a shortage.
No. That's wrong. If Noah hadn't taken food there would be a shortage. At least that's how most of us reason.
And if you'd read through the thread, the complaints were that there couldn't be food after the flood. That's why I mentioned manna - not saying that it was given then, but to point out what a lame objection it is. God has never had a problem providing food.

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CTD
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Message 90 of 105 (395852)
04-18-2007 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by CTD
04-15-2007 8:08 PM


Re: Re-Noah's Flood
CTD wrote:
They'll try to make it seem "shameful" if God is expected to directly intervene. As if!
Right you are, CTD. But that was too easy. Got any trickier predictions you'd care to make? Something that requires some insight and subtlety? C'mon, we all saw that coming, although we might have expected 'em to wait until someone actually claimed God intervened before objecting.
And you could have been much more helpful. Seriously, how much time would it take to type up a detailed point-by-point post demonstrating that those objections aren't substantial. You're too lazy. What if some person should stumble in here some day and take them seriously, and lose all faith in God? How would you feel then, knowing you could have prevented it?
See, even now, here's an easy way to deal with this issue. If a man hoists a flag, it isn't unscientific to say the man hoisted the flag. Hoisting flags is an act quite within the capabilities of a man. Likewise, when God does something quite within his capabilities, there's nothing unscientific about saying so. If God is said to do something outside of His capabilities, like telling a lie or failing; then it is an unscientific statement.
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