Food for Noah's Ark survivors.

This poster is a troll and does not engage in rational or honest debate. Answer at the risk of wasting your time. Freshwater tends to float upon salt water not sure how long over the oceans it would take to mix with the fresh water. Do you?Edited by AdminNosy, : troll warning

Well, I don't think anyone knows for sure on such a scale. How about a guestimate? Would you say that it would take over 10 months for complete mixture? Or perhaps only a few months or a few weeks?

I think they say that those dietary requirements are post-flood adaptations. CreationWiki: Animals' exacting needs could have evolved after the flood

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According to CreationScience.com (see here). It does completely ignore dilution via diffusion though.

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Suggestive of the time required for mixing a large body of water is the following:

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If we think of the oceans as big interconnected basins, we can ask our question about circulation rates in terms of the average length of time that a water molecule spends in each basin. The results of such calculations indicate that water molecules spend from 200 to 500 years in the deep Atlantic before being transferred to another reservoir ... Karl K. Turekian, Oceans, 2nd edition (Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey: Prentice-Hall, Inc., 1976), p. 38.

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They've even done an experiment (read abstract here)

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The Noahic flood destroyed all the air breathing animals except those on the ark. No doubt the flood also took a major toll on freshwater and marine organisms due to the turbulence, turbidity, changes in salinity and temperature. Some marine animals survived by simply tolerating changes in salinity. Survival of a marine reef fish, Blue Damsel, Abudefduf uniocellatus, was tested at different rates of freshwater dilution. It was found that the salinity where the fish lost the ability to swim was the same when exposed to dilution rates of 15 0/00/hrs (parts per thousand per hour) and 1.5 0/00/hr but was higher with the slow dilution rate of 0.031 0/00/hr. These data suggest that the marine organisms could not have survived a homogeneous freshwater deluge.

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A heterogeneous flood model was set up in a 55-gallon aquarium. A quantity of saltwater 20 cm deep was overlaid with freshwater and the system was exposed to outdoor summertime weather conditions in western Oklahoma. Marine algae (Phaeophyta and Chlorophyta), brine shrimp (Artemia nauplii), a hermit crab and some marine gastropods wee introduced int the saltwater portion. A goldfish (Carassius auratus), two mosquito fish (Gambusia affinis), and freshwater plants were introduced into the surface layer. Although some mixing occurred, all the organisms survived four week exposure to outdoor conditions suggesting that protected pockets of marine organisms may have survived the flood by being overlaid with freshwater.

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This poster is a troll and does not engage in rational or honest debate. Answer at the risk of wasting your time. It appears salinity will never equalize but tends to stratify based on salt waters density being expressed with increases in salinity with increases in depth.There never was a salinity problem over the continents that would inhibit the hydroponic expression of the floating mats of vegetation that repopulated the earth with vegetation after the flood waters had subsided.---------------------------Salinity affects seawater density and thus influences ocean water layering. Other factors held constant, increasing the salinity of seawater causes its density to increase. High salinity seawater generally sinks below lower salinity water. This leads to layering of water -- or stratification -- by salinity.Although salinity generally increases with depth (<<<), there is a distinct layer where salinity increases sharply called the Halocline.Ship MatesEdited by AdminNosy, : No reason given.

Charley So what about the trees I mentioned in the OP Charley? Care to explain hydroponic flotation of entire forests? Or perhaps even one little ol' redwood tree?

This poster is a troll and does not engage in rational or honest debate. Answer at the risk of wasting your time. As the flood waters washed off the earth they concentrated the vegetation in the massive fossil deposits, them coal, peat and oil deposits. It also was responsible for the repopulation of near the entire biomass that survived the biblical deluge aboard these floating islands of vegetative debris, etc...-----------------------------"The genesis Flood removed vast amounts of living biomass" ... "organic material that now forms the earth's vast coal, oil and oil shale deposits. A conservative estimate for the pre-Flood biomass is 100 times that of today." ref: Impact #364, "Carbon Dating Undercuts Evolution's Long Ages" by John Baumgardner, October 2003. (The Institute for Creation Research)Does the distribution of coal deposits refute the vapor canopy theory? Does plate tectonics provide the answer? Yes, The little ol' redwood tree that is so impervious to disease that once grew over the whole world as evidence in all the worlds coal deposits is now only located on the Western Americas is strong evidence that the World flood near extinction of these trees.--------------------------As trees such as the bristlecone pines and the redwoods are still living after 4,000 years or more, and seem impervious to the normal problems of trees, it is conceivable that they could live another 4,000 years or longer”a total of 8,000 years! Why then, are none found much older than 4,000 years? Missing Link | Answers in Genesis Edited by AdminNosy, : troll warning

If that was true then we should see fossils of the same kind of animal with very different digestive tracts. Specifically the older types fossilized in one giant strata and all of the newer types above them. Funny how that isn't found anywhere.

Charley Not really. It is evidence that the trees have been harvested or died out in regions due to climatic changes,however, this does not answer the question I posed you Charley. Please address the way in which an entire forest gets floated as a hydroponic establishment in a world wide flood and there after comes to rest undisturbed sufficient for the forest to continue renewing itself.Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.

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A: One easy way to replicate perennial plants is to take root cuttings. Simply pull a piece of the root up and clip it off. (This won't hurt the parent plant since it's sufficiently large and well established). Cut the root into two- or three-inch pieces. Each piece will become a duplicate of the parent plant.

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http://www.hgtv.com/...icle/0,1785,HGTV_3610_1371784,00.html

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You'll find this bit of nonsense in several creationists texts including Woodemorappe's Noah's Ark a Feasibility Study as an explanation for the regrowth of forests. I have planted a lot of trees this way and my father has literally planted thousands. You have about 2 weeks after tree cuttings are made to get them planted or they won't take. Also you to poke them into soft soil or dig small holes and then put the cut ends into the ground so that the cutting stand up. You can't just throw them on the ground and expect them to grow, they won't. The idea that branches that had been swirling around for months in a global flood could then end up reforesting the earth is absurd.Randy

You have to realize that, for Charlie anyway, the evidence that mudguppies can walk, and that pikas live near the peaks in the rockies means that mudguppies can climb the peaks in the himalayas.Anything can be extrapolated to support myth, fantasy and make-believe.

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Not only do the technical aspects of planting cuttings make the "reforestation from cuttings" absurd, the simple fact is that there are only a few families of plants that will even grow from cuttings. The most common of course being Rutaceae (citrus), Rosaceae (well, roses among others), etc. What about the families that grow only (or mostly) from root stock (eg, Myrtaceae like eucalyptus) or copice (like Salicaceae such as willows and aspens)? None of those root-required plants would survive even a few weeks in salt-impregnated soil.

Oh so very true. I've done this even with small hardy, woody evergreens and a fair number of them don't survive the first month even with fertilizer, lots of water, store bought soil and other significent care. If those kinds of plants with huge amount of labor can't survive in store bought soil, the idea of large woody trees repopulation this way without aid is truly insane.

How about cuttings from DEAD, DAID, been under water for over a year root systems regardless of species?

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They could always fall back on this:

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Mark 10:27
"...with God all things are possible."

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Maybe it's a miracle?Edited by Doddy, : fixed citation

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