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Faith
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Message 466 of 518 (812488)
06-16-2017 8:03 PM
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06-16-2017 7:50 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
You saturate the water with sediments. The water rises high over the land. What's the problem?
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Message 467 of 518 (812489)
06-16-2017 8:11 PM
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06-16-2017 6:56 PM


Re: Sediment source
Faith writes:

Steady heavy rain for forty days and nights ALL OVER THE WORLD? No.

Don't post such utterly stupid comments Faith. Of course we can know how much erosion 40 days and 40 nights of rain would cause as any 10 year old could explain to you. We simply take a look and see what erosion is caused as a waterfall over a 40 day/40 night period.

It really is that simple and yet another reason that the whole Biblical Flood nonsense is so totally ludicrous and not even up to sophomoric standards.

The silly picayune floods described in the Bible are simply incapable of doing any of the things thinking people actually find in reality.

There is simply no way, and you have never provided a model, method, mechanism or thingamabob to explain how the utterly stupid Biblical Flood could produce the evidence of Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits or any of the thousands of other features that have been presented to you over almost two decades.


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Message 468 of 518 (812490)
06-16-2017 8:20 PM
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06-16-2017 8:03 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
You saturate the water with sediments. The water rises high over the land. What's the problem?

First of all, I'm trying to imagine the energy involved in keep entire oceans in a suspended state, including boulders, cobbles and sand.

Then I'm wondering how it maintained such a state as it lost energy flowing across the land surface.

Then I have a hard time seeing how trace fossils are transported intact to their final resting place along with other sorted fossils and sediments.

Not seeing it.

What you are talking about is a mudflow and mudflows do not form bedding, nor laterally continuous deposits. Even with highly gas-charged ash flows we see strong lateral zonation of grain sizes of the deposits and evidence of flow ... mainly down gradient.

What are you leaving out here?


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Faith
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Message 469 of 518 (812491)
06-16-2017 8:30 PM
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Re: where the sediments came from
I'm doing my best with the facts as I understand them, both from the Bible and from the observed strata and fossils. Fountains of the deep whatever they were or are, would certainly have stirred up the water, mixing sediments that were both from the ocean and running off the land due to forty days and nights of rain plus the rising of the water caused by that. Once you've got water full of sediments rising over the land you've got the ingredients for the sorting into layers that we see. You can't debunk the Bible, it isn't going to happen.
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jar
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Message 470 of 518 (812493)
06-16-2017 8:44 PM
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06-16-2017 8:30 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
Faith writes:

Once you've got water full of sediments rising over the land you've got the ingredients for the sorting into layers that we see. You can't debunk the Bible, it isn't going to happen.

Utter nonsense.

First the Bible debunks the Bible by including two different mutually exclusive flood myths all mushed up together.

Second, a silly picayune flood alone cannot sort anything in the style actually found in reality. Sorry but it is simp


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edge
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Message 471 of 518 (812494)
06-16-2017 9:09 PM
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06-16-2017 8:30 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
I'm doing my best with the facts as I understand them, both from the Bible and from the observed strata and fossils.

Actually, no.

You are force-fitting facts into a framework of what you think the Bible tells you.

Fountains of the deep whatever they were or are, would certainly have stirred up the water, mixing sediments that were both from the ocean and running off the land due to forty days and nights of rain plus the rising of the water caused by that.

Now you are going to claim that the Bible dictates that conclusion.

You don't know what the fountains are, you don't know where they are, what they look like or what they can do.

Once you've got water full of sediments rising over the land you've got the ingredients for the sorting into layers that we see. You can't debunk the Bible, it isn't going to happen.

I'm not trying to. I'm just telling you that you miss the important parts of the Bible by making a poor attempt at a science text out of it.
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Faith
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Message 472 of 518 (812495)
06-16-2017 9:17 PM
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06-16-2017 9:09 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
I give up. You have no interest in real conversation. End of discussion.
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Message 473 of 518 (812496)
06-16-2017 9:42 PM
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06-16-2017 9:17 PM


Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a flood?
And again the topic is Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a flood?

Sediments running uphill are not the topic.

Fossils of trilobites sorted with radioactive isotopes in thick layers with different trilobite species and different isotopes, ...

Layers of fully developed marine ecosystems where organisms grow on the detritus of previous generations and the gradual accumulation of silts, ... including radioactive silts, ...

Mountains uplifted with meters and meters and meters deep layers of marine growth, volumes of growth that would cover the earth several times over if they all lived spread out over the earth at the same time ...

Brachiopods and other marine growth showing the duration of living organisms for each layer were in the decades ...

It all adds up to an old earth ...

Lacking is any mixing of species and isotope sediments that would occur with a flying flood fantasy that terraforms the earth to current day appearance in less than a thousand years.

Unless you invoke magic.

The sorted fossils
The sorted isotopes matching the sorted fossils everywhere on earth
The iridium layer all over the earth with fossils below never appearing above it and fossils above it never appearing below it.

Only by old age and uniform laws of physics and biology ... or magic.

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Message 474 of 518 (812497)
06-16-2017 10:02 PM
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06-16-2017 8:30 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
You can't debunk the Bible, it isn't going to happen.

[voice=Spencer Tracy in "Inherit the Wind"]So then, Faith, are you the Prophet from Nebraska? [/voice] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYfuTlTiixA, from about 30 seconds or so)
Is anybody actually trying to debunk the Bible? Or just merely your naοve misinterpretations of the Bible? That is a far more important question than you could ever imagine.

Once you've got water full of sediments rising over the land you've got the ingredients for the sorting into layers that we see.

Uh, no, we know full well how such sorting actually happens in the real world.


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Message 475 of 518 (812503)
06-16-2017 10:58 PM
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06-16-2017 8:30 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
I'm doing my best with the facts as I understand them, both from the Bible and from the observed strata and fossils.

No, you are ignoring a lot of facts, and twisting and misinterpreting a lot of others, all because the real-world evidence contradicts the bible.

You can't debunk the Bible, it isn't going to happen.

But the real-world evidence does just that. You are unable to accept it.


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Faith
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Message 476 of 518 (812504)
06-16-2017 11:02 PM
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06-16-2017 10:58 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
The "real world evidence" is completely misinterpreted by orthodox Science. In the end it will be found to be consistent with God's word.
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Message 477 of 518 (812515)
06-17-2017 6:18 AM
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06-16-2017 11:02 PM


And again the topic is Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a floo
And again the topic is Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a flood?

Sediments running uphill are not the topic.

Fossils of trilobites sorted with radioactive isotopes in thick layers with different trilobite species and different isotopes, ...

Layers of fully developed marine ecosystems where organisms grow on the detritus of previous generations and the gradual accumulation of silts, ... including radioactive silts, ...

Mountains uplifted with meters and meters and meters deep layers of marine growth, volumes of growth that would cover the earth several times over if they all lived spread out over the earth at the same time ...

Brachiopods and other marine growth showing the duration of living organisms for each layer were in the decades ...

It all adds up to an old earth ...

Lacking is any mixing of species and isotope sediments that would occur with a flying flood fantasy that terraforms the earth to current day appearance in less than a thousand years.

Unless you invoke magic.

The sorted fossils
The sorted isotopes matching the sorted fossils everywhere on earth
The iridium layer all over the earth with fossils below never appearing above it and fossils above it never appearing below it.

Only by old age and uniform laws of physics and biology ... or magic.

The "real world evidence" is completely misinterpreted by orthodox Science. In the end it will be found to be consistent with God's word.

In other words, magic.

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jar
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Message 478 of 518 (812520)
06-17-2017 8:07 AM
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06-16-2017 11:02 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
Faith writes:

The "real world evidence" is completely misinterpreted by orthodox Science. In the end it will be found to be consistent with God's word.

God's Word is the real world evidence not the perversion of the Bible that you try to market.

God laughs at Young Earth Creationists and those who believe in the Biblical Flood.

And God knows that the shells got into the mountain tops through natural processes over millions of years.


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Message 479 of 518 (812521)
06-17-2017 8:11 AM
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06-16-2017 10:02 PM


Re: where the sediments came from
Faith's interpretation of the Bible is inerrant.
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Message 480 of 518 (812523)
06-17-2017 8:13 AM
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06-17-2017 8:11 AM


Re: where the sediments came from
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Faith's interpretation of the Bible is inerrant

Even when it contradicts the Bible. But that's standard for so-called Biblical Inerrantists.


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