General discussion of moderation procedures

AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha Excuse me while I choke to death over that absolutely absurd statement. Sheesh!

No I didn't abandon anything. I didn't get back to some things due to developments elsewhere. But like all your ilk here, you must say something to demean my motives.But really, as I've suggested before, you should change the title of this place to Evolution-Science Gulag. Your occasional claim to evenhandedness is now blown with this post of yours. You are right I don't belong here, for reasons you will never ever understand, more's the pity. Have fun proving your own premises forever. Oh and DO put up a warning for the poor fundy creos who come along here, so they'll know in advance that this is NO place to discuss anything rationally or meaningfully. Save a lot of wear and tear on the psyche they could best invest elsewhere.

Your motives? I said nothing about your motives. Ignorance is not a motive. Leave it to you to make up charges out of thin air.Like all of my ilk here and unlike you, I have evidence for what I say, which is your own statements made more than once that you abandoned the geology discussion because you lacked "inspiration", and your resort to insult, copiously documented across many posts, in the eyewitness thread. It is clear even in this thread where your only counter to rational arguments is to call them stupid, even while admitting that you can't explain why they're stupid.Arm yourself with knowledge and logic, Faith, not insult. As has been told to you many times, especially by Schraf, the way the debate is conducted here is very similar to the way science works. Scientists counter the arguments of other scientists with evidence and argument, not by insult. You would find the debate much easier going if you learned first and argued later. Ignorance is a barrier to informed discussion, and your insistance on participating anyway is what is getting you so frustrated and causing you to behave so badly. It is precisely your inability to engage in rational and dispassionate discussion that renders your participation here inappropriate, especially combined with your abusive tendencies. If I selected a collection of your posts, would you dare show them to someone whose opinion you respect, perhaps your pastor or husband? Can you honestly say you're proud of the way you behaved here? Or perhaps you have no sense of shame.--Percy

Arachnophilia writes me:

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i think of it kind of like an affirmative action thing. i mean, the debate would have been over if it weren't for faith.

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And that would have been a bad thing because...?

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Faith writes me:

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Excuse me while I choke to death...

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Okay.

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In another (closed) thread, Ben asks: It's a shame we can't put that question to the Spanish Moriscos of the 16th and 17th centuries. Or perhaps the slaves of this country in the 19th century and prior. I wonder what the Jews who survived the holocaust might say, or those African-Americans who lived in the South more than two or three decades ago?Of course, this forum can't be compared to a government, but it can be compared to a society because it is a society. As such, one might hope to find within it a bit more of the underground railroad than a brigade of runaway slave hunters.I'm sorry; I digress. Point is, however useful double standards might be at any precise moment, they can be - as they usually are - abused. Many of you have found double standards to be useful here and I suppose if that's what it takes to keep fundie lunatics coming to this forum, then by all means let's have more double standards.For anyone interested, here's a bit more news about how useful and productive double standards can be.

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jar writes me:

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I think you misunderstand much of what happens.

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I don't think so, but I do think that you and I have been misunderstanding each other based on what I have come to realize is a very specific difference of opinion. You say:

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People are free to civily point out errors in that position but there is nothing that says any member should not say or believe that "all Christians are liars and eat their young".

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But to a Christian that would be an insult that would be hard to distinguish from a personal attack. Similarly, when a poster says that gays don't take responsibility for their actions, or that gays have no morals, I WILL regard it as a personal attack and react accordingly. If that means I get suspended then so be it. In a forum of double standards, suspension has no objective meaning. It means only that the moderator has decided to exercise his or her right to employ double standards.

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Your best tactic in such a case is to show where the statement is incorrect. Attacking the poster though, calling them a liar as an example, does not advance the discussion and will result in sanctions.There is no problem showing someone where they are wrong.There is no doubt that this is a difficult task on the part of both the poster and the moderator. If, in response to such a post you said the message displayed ignorance of the facts or was bigotted in nature, that would be within the guidelines. If, on the other hand, you said the poster was a fool or was lying, that would be outside.

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jar, you are drawing a distinction between group attacks and personal attacks. I don't observe such silly quiddities. Saying "atheists are amoral" in the presence of atheists is no different in any meaningful way whatsoever than saying to an atheist "you are amoral".Likewise, saying "fundies are stupid" in the presence of fundies would be no different that saying directly to a fundie "you are stupid".

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Yes, that is the distinction I draw. I also agree that your reaction is reasonable. It may well seem like a personal attack. TO YOU!But when you take the next step and commit a person attack it is no longer a matter of interpretaion or opinion.

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Yes, that is the distinction I draw.

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Which allows you to hide behind that silly, useless and utterly pointless distinction in order to maintain a facade of fairness. Everyone else seems to recognize that double standards are employed here, but you insist on a ridiculous quiddity in order to seem even-handed.Group attacks are regarded as personal attacks by members of the group being attacked. They are no different than personal attacks. Your distinction between them is nothing more than a quibble.

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Yes, motives, motives for ABANDONING certain threads, Percy, isn't that what you said, I didn't continue because I didn't know the science?? Sorry, that is NOT why I didn't continue. YES, that's an accusation about my MOTIVES, which you are now topping with a further accusation of my "making up charges" that it was about my motives, SO par for the course here. Schraf indulges in abusive interrogation tactics worthy of the KGB perhaps, or the Grand Inquisitor, or a demented adolescent version thereof, but not science, useless nitpicking with no creditable objective. She's possibly but not necessarily the worst of the lot here. The pretense that any of that has anything to do with science is the most abusive thing done here.Your ignorance of the provocations, the ENDLESS insulting rude nasty provocations, practiced by YOUR side of this, needs to be challenged. Apparently no amount of explanation gets through, then if the person erupts in rage at the mistreatment FURTHER punishment ensues, as if what he's already endured hasn't been enough already.I will simply ignore your impertinent moralizing about my behavior here. You don't like it, ban me, but spare me your two bit moralisms. I don't have a problem with my behavior at all, and I have no respect for the kind of nicey nice lobotomizing that passes for Christianity these days that leads people to call themselves Christians who have compromised its truths to the point of irrelevance. Too many on my side have bit the dust here because of the outrageous prejudices against them. The abusive behavior on YOUR side of this is ridiculously called science and needs to be exposed. I am more than capable of dispassionate discussion as has been amply demonstrated by at least 90% of my near 1000 posts here, but when the opposition plays the tricks that are played here, and has the effrontery to call them SCIENCE, then answering nonsense with nonsense is the only way to go.

Wow - the rage combined with the hair shirt must really itch. I can't for the life of me see why you keep coming back. Is it like an S&M thing? you whack one off to the threads?I'm truely baffled what your actual purpose is here.

Hey GK, AKA CK, while it is apparent that you have many useful things to share with us, I really think that you have made your point about/to Faith. The last thing we need is another "I know you are but what am I..." and "is too.. is not... is too... is not..."Thanks.

I'll take your advice but I really must say.....Hello Kettle this is pot, you are black.