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Buzsaw
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Message 256 of 304 (209323)
05-18-2005 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 251 by Parasomnium
05-17-2005 5:51 PM


Re: Please stop suspending/restricting/banning/booting/kicking...
The admins' efforts to sanitize discussion on this forum are over the top, in my opinion. The effect might well be that any discussion is stifled before it can start, because nobody dares to say anything negative anymore.
.......Or say anything ideologically incompatible with the majority view. I enjoyed a few days with science forums priviledge and BOOM, with NO warning Percy bans me after my first science post which advocated an intelligent design solution to the energy/BB origins mystery in the energy/BB thread. Now, I, one of the scanty few ID creationists am even banned from the intelligent design forum. I mean, why do the rest get 24 hour suspensions with warnings but twice now I get outright banned, period?
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AdminNosy
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Message 257 of 304 (209325)
05-18-2005 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Buzsaw
05-18-2005 10:27 AM


banned from the evidence forums
To discuss in the evidence forums, Buz, you need to conduct your debate in an appropriate fashion.
Previously, you demonstrated that you don't understand the concept. You reminded everyone of that with your first few posts. It will save you time and effort and aggravation of others this way.
You may espouse your faith in the way that you understand in the faith and belief forums.

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Buzsaw
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Message 258 of 304 (209333)
05-18-2005 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 257 by AdminNosy
05-18-2005 10:41 AM


Re: banned from the evidence forums
To discuss in the evidence forums, Buz, you need to conduct your debate in an appropriate fashion.
Previously, you demonstrated that you don't understand the concept. You reminded everyone of that with your first few posts. It will save you time and effort and aggravation of others this way.
You may espouse your faith in the way that you understand in the faith and belief forums.
Hi Ned.
1. But Intelligent Design science forum implies the supernatural, does it not?
2. The origin of energy implies science, does it not?
3. If the above means nothing, it would've been nice to have, at least, received a warning or even a 24 hr suspension from these forums like the other members get rather than outright banned. It's the evos who really get the leeway here. Right?

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Message 259 of 304 (209334)
05-18-2005 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by Buzsaw
05-18-2005 10:54 AM


endless discussions
Sorry, Buz, you will have to find someone else to carry on a fruitless, endless discussion with.

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Buzsaw
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Message 260 of 304 (209340)
05-18-2005 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 259 by AdminNosy
05-18-2005 10:55 AM


Re: endless discussions
Sorry, Buz, you will have to find someone else to carry on a fruitless, endless discussion with.
But you made charges and administered moderation here. What did I say that was fruitless and endless. One message is endless with you, or is it that you are unable to substantiate your charges here that my points were fruitless?

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Buzsaw
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Message 261 of 304 (209349)
05-18-2005 11:33 AM


Actually, after rereading, it was these two posts of mine which Percy cited. In the 2nd post, nessage 63 of forum Simple Evidence For ID if you read Jars supposed refutation to that post (which I was not able to address because of being suddenly banned), Jar's inept Biblical knowledge confused the tree of the knowledge of good and evil with the tree of life according to the Genesis account. It was the tree of good and evil which would make man like gods but it was the tree of life that would make man live forever, i.e. be imortal There were two special trees in the garden, not just one. Had I not have been banned, I could've explained this in the thread.
So if Percy had read the Genesis account there, or given me a warning instead of simply banning me for what he considered my error, he would have seen Jar's mistake and that my message was on the money with the Genesis account.
Percy's Message:
See Message 44 in the Where Did Big Bang Energy Come From? thread, and Message 63 in the Simple evidence for ID thread.

coffee_addict
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Message 262 of 304 (209350)
05-18-2005 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 259 by AdminNosy
05-18-2005 10:55 AM


Re: endless discussions
I'd have to side with buz on this one.
It says "Is the evidence of the divine apparent in the design of nature itself?"
The last time I checked, divine equates to the supernatural.
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Message 263 of 304 (209377)
05-18-2005 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by coffee_addict
05-18-2005 11:36 AM


ID as faith
Aside from Buz, who has his own set of ideas, most IDists (outside and on EvC) claim that ID is science of a sort. As long as this is the case it belongs in the science forums.
If it isn't science but is simply an alternate statement of theism then it isn't interesting to anyone is it?
I agree that it isn't a science and once that is agreed to the discussion is over.
Buz isn't restricted because he wants to suggest that ID is an expression of some supernatural tinkering. Buz is kept from messing up the science based discussions because he doesn't understand what is needed there.

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Buzsaw
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Message 264 of 304 (209469)
05-18-2005 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by NosyNed
05-18-2005 1:37 PM


Re: ID as faith
Aside from Buz, who has his own set of ideas, most IDists (outside and on EvC) claim that ID is science of a sort. As long as this is the case it belongs in the science forums.
If it isn't science but is simply an alternate statement of theism then it isn't interesting to anyone is it?
1. ID is science of a sort, but it is also pertaining to theism and the supernatural.
2. So far my hypothesis has not been refuted here. I simply get banned for adherance to an alternative view which both satisfies scientific laws as per the great debate and it satisfies the theistic aspects of ID as per the Bible. As yet nobody has refuted that, have they? If so, would you be so kind as to document where?
I agree that it isn't a science and once that is agreed to the discussion is over.
Whoa, friend! Bussaw did not loose the great debate with Jar on the scientific aspects of this with Jar, did he? It's interesting that the judges never scored that debate. I wonder why??
Buz isn't restricted because he wants to suggest that ID is an expression of some supernatural tinkering.
Just what do you mean, supernatural tinkering?
Buz is kept from messing up the science based discussions because he doesn't understand what is needed there.
Man, I cannot win! This's very frustrating! I've shown precisely how it was Jar who messed up on the only ID form exchange I've been involved in since returning a couple or so posts above and you're now blaming me for Jar's gross missup, just like Percy did! I challenge you to show how I messed up the ID science forum, Ned. Please be fair and stop maligning my legitimate and effective debate here, none of which has violated EvC forum guidelines.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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coffee_addict
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Message 265 of 304 (209472)
05-18-2005 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by NosyNed
05-18-2005 1:37 PM


Re: ID as faith
But if he is causing any disruption in the science forums, the disruptions are not that noticable. I say give him full access and let the members and buz work it out.
There are creos far worse than buz *ahem... faith, limbo, chris, ahem ahem* when it comes to understanding what's science and what's not. You can't limit them all!
If this trend continues, I will be forced to become a proponent of ID/creationism.

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Buzsaw
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Message 266 of 304 (209511)
05-18-2005 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by coffee_addict
05-18-2005 6:47 PM


But if he is causing any disruption in the science forums, the disruptions are not that noticable.
Hi GAW-Snow. I appreciate the sense you're making here when nobody seems to care about fairness with someone not running with the herd.
If this trend continues, I will be forced to become a proponent of ID/creationism.
If you do, please set the record straight on the two Eden trees, one of which was to make Adam and Eve immortal according to Genesis 3 as per my post 63 on the ED evidence thread.
Edited to say "ID evidence" thread.
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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 267 of 304 (209518)
05-18-2005 9:48 PM


Biblical Accuracy
I just tried to post on The Bible Accuracy Thread and see I'm also banned from it. Hey, that's my forte, having been studiously in it for 60 years!!! What gives??? Who can show that buzsaw's Biblically inept???

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 268 of 304 (209521)
05-18-2005 9:50 PM


Hello!!
Hello!! IS THERE ANYONE HERE BESIDES GAW-snow who care a whit about justice??

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berberry
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Message 269 of 304 (209522)
05-18-2005 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by Buzsaw
05-18-2005 9:50 PM


Re: Hello!!
I think I've made it known that I don't believe there should be any restrictions on you unless only for specific threads, but in the case you're talking about I suspect that a mistake has been made. Perhaps if you posted a note with a more expressive subtitle, like 'Question for Admins' or something like that, one of them might look into the matter.

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AdminJar
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Message 270 of 304 (209524)
05-18-2005 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Buzsaw
05-18-2005 9:48 PM


Bible A&I ...
is among the science based forums. It's for discussing the accuracy of the Bible from an external, evidentiary postion.
There is a forum called Bible Studies that is one the Faith based forums were you can discuss things such as the meaning of a passage.
I hope this helps explain things for you.

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