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Author | Topic: Creationist's Problem: Fossil Layers and Humans | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mission for Truth Inactive Member |
Hey All,
I was reading an article "15 Answers to Creationist Nonesense" in Scientific American (July 2002 the other day and one of the things they said as just one of the proofs that evolution is real was this: "...Evolution implies that between the earliest-known ancestors of humans (roughly five million years old) and the appearance of anatomically modern humans (about 100,000 years ago), one should find a succession of hominid creatures with features progressively less apelike and more modern, which is indeed what the fossil record shows. But one should not --and does not-- find modern human fossils embedded in strata from the Jurassic period (65 million years ago)." I never even thought about it before but that is a very good point. With all the fossils we found no one has found one of modern day humans in that time frame... interesting. I don't have much of a point in this post but I thought it would be good for the creationists to look at. -Sean {Made link part of sentence one, which also shortened display of URL, to restore page width to normal. Also corrected article title. - Adminnemooseus} This message has been edited by Mission for Truth, 05-06-2004 10:10 PM This message has been edited by Mission for Truth, 05-06-2004 10:14 PM This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 05-07-2004 12:28 AM
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3849 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: 65 MYA is the K/T boundary, between the Cretaceous and the beginning of the Tertiary. Jurassic was 210-280 MYA
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Mission for Truth Inactive Member |
If that's right you should write scientific american and let them know. Because I copied that quote perfectly, you can even go to the link I gave and see for yourself.
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Mission for Truth Inactive Member |
I just went to the link myself and now it says 144 million years? wtf?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Well I went to the linked article and on page 2 it says
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Happens to me, too, sometimes. There's a conspiracy to make us look like fools.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3849 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
They probably just made the mistake themselves and changed it after posting. Not your fault.
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Mission for Truth Inactive Member |
lol. *shakes fist at them*
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Actually, I admit to having a not-too-good memory. I can easily believe that when this happens to me I am just not remembering the quote correctly. My post was meant to be a playful joke.
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Proboscis Inactive Member |
In reply to the first post, I'd like to ask if you are 100 percent sure that the Earth is that old, and if so, how if you were not there? I don't really care if the Earth is billions or just thousands of years old, but I can't see how anyone could say that there is perfect proof that the Earth is indeed that old. Carbon dating is not conclusive enough to prove that without the shadow of a doubt.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Er, Prob ol' buddy, your statement that "Carbon dating is not conclusive enough to prove that without the shadow of a doubt" reveals that you don't know enough to have an informed opinion. Carbon dating is used on organic specimens up to about 50,000 years old. The multiple different methods used to establish that age of the Earth are related to carbon dating, all of them being radioisotope methods, but are greatly different.
I sugest you start by reading Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective how if you were not there? Reflect on the fact that in the U.S. we kill some convicted criminals for things that they were not observed doing. That's really important. Killing people is serious. Would you like to release all convicted criminals, and all criminals awaiting trail, for which there are no eyewitnesses to the crime? Events leave traces which can be examined, and it is not necessary to observe something directly (whatever that means ... think about it ...) to study, learn about it, and form valid conclusions about it. {fixed URL} This message has been edited by JonF, 05-07-2004 03:25 PM
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: The bible isn't perfect proof either, since it was written by fallible men. The best evidence (not 100% proof) is what we see in the earth itself. The earth is telling us how old it is, not scientists with an anti-religious agenda. BTW, carbon dating is only used to date organic matter of terrestrial origin that is younger than about 50,000 years old. Other isotopes with longer half-lives are used to date rocks.
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Proboscis Inactive Member |
The Bible may be actually written down by men, but it is inspired by God. Men did not make this stuff up. All scripture is God breathed. I don't know if you are a Christian or not, but if you are, you better believe that. The only account of Earth's origin from someone who was there when the earth was formed is the Bible. I don't know about you, but I think I trust God more than men. There is nothing you can say that will change my mind on that issue. As for how old the Earth is, the Bible doesn't say how old it is. That is why it is not wrong for a Christian to believe in an old Earth or a Young Earth. I personally think that the Earth is young. But I can't prove that beacuse I wasn't there. Just as you can't prove that the Earth is billions of years old.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
It is somewhat off topic. Please avoid doing that. You can make your views about the Bible known in the more faith oriented fora.
I have moved your proposed topic on Genesis for you and this might be a better post there.
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