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Message 46 of 71 (492296)
12-29-2008 9:27 PM
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12-29-2008 9:13 PM


Re: Care to show us evidence Peg?
1. Do you have any sources younger than 50+ years?

2.

so languages can be traced back to an original source ...this is evidence of a single language being spoken at a particular time in the past

This does not follow. You've shown the possibility of one ancestor language for the Indo-European language family and the possibility of one ancestor language for the Bantu language family.

3.

and if you want to believe in the babel story or not, you simply cannot deny the possiblity of it

Sure I can, and do.


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Message 47 of 71 (492299)
12-29-2008 9:54 PM
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Re: Care to show us evidence Peg?
i have a great book called 'Origins, an atlas of human migration'

published in 2007


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Message 48 of 71 (492304)
12-29-2008 10:29 PM
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Re: Care to show us evidence Peg?
Professor of Anthropology and Linguistics G. L. Trager says: “Historical knowledge about existing languages goes back only a few thousand years.”

Historical knowledge”. From written records. The one thing that distinguishes history from pre-history is the existence of written records. Your use of that quote begs the question about how far back human languages go and would only have any bearing on how far back human writing goes.

For example, Japanese history did not start until circa 800 CE when Buddhist missionaries from China brought writing to the Japanese; they still write primarily in Chinese. That started the Heian Period known for a vibrant culture rich in art and literature, all of which appears in the historic record as having instantly come into being. Not to mention the Japanese language itself.

Is the lack of a written pre-historic record (an oxymoron, BTW) evidence that Japanese did not exist prior to the Heian Period? No more could it be considered evidence against the existence of other human languages.

An article in Science Illustrated of July 1948 stated: “Older forms of the languages known today were far more difficult than their modern descendants . . . man appears not to have begun with a simple speech, and gradually made it more complex, but rather to have gotten hold of a tremendously knotty speech somewhere in the unrecorded past, and gradually simplified it to the modern form.”

Linguist Dr. Mason “the idea that ‘savages’ speak in a series of grunts, and are unable to express many ‘civilized’ concepts, is very wrong.” He adds that “many of the languages of non-literate peoples are far more complex than modern European ones.”—Science News Letter, September 3, 1955.

As anyone who has studied foreign languages should realize, different languages are more complex than each other and also more simple. To only look at one feature and pronounce the entire language more or less complex would be the same as a small child seeing a drink being poured from a short class into a taller skinny glass and thinking that there's more drink now (as I recall, developing the ability to see that it's still the same amount of drink is called "conservation").

For example, people look at the inflected languages in the past which made extensive use of noun declension to distinguish their use in a sentence and at the general lack of such declensions in current languages and pronounce the ancient languages more complex. In that respect, yes, but what about word order and sentence structure? The ancient languages played fast and loose with sentence structure -- and modern inflected languages still do -- ; because the nouns' declension indicated their function in the sentence, it matter very little where they were placed in the sentence. For example, in German the following two sentences mean the same, that the dog bites the man:
Der Hund beißt den Mann.
Den Mann beißt der Hund.

But in English, "The dog bites the man." and "The man bites the dog." mean two very different things. German can play around with word order (though not as much as Russian or Latin), whereas English requires very strict word order in order to preserve meaning. Therefore, while English is much simpler in terms of declension, it is much more complex in terms of sentence structure and word order. Lose complexity in one area and you must increase it in another or else the language will lose its ability to express ideas.

Linguists say that about 50 percent of earth’s inhabitants speak languages belonging to the Indo-European language family. That puts them all originally in the same area,hence explaining their similarities

Yes, the steppes north of the Black Sea. But they did not all disperse at the same time. Rather, the pattern as taught 35 years ago in linguistics was that groups would emigrate out of that area periodically, carrying with them the then-current form of Indo-European. It would continue to develop and change in that homeland and each wave of emigration would use that form as the basis for a new language family.

BTW, Proto-Indo-European was highly inflected with eight cases and no prepositions, since the cases took care of that. Then as the heavy use of cases eased, they introduced prepositions, a definite increase in complexity that also increased the language's expressive ability.

Of the 1,000-odd languages spoken in Africa, some three hundred have a remarkable similarity in their unusual grammatical structure. Known as the Bantu language family, they are spoken in most regions south of the equator. “Bantu,” meaning “people,” is a word common to these languages, hence the name “Bantu family.” Linguists believe that the Bantu family descended from a parent language spoken in central West Africa more than two thousand years ago....Again, showing the same origin.

so languages can be traced back to an original source ...this is evidence of a single language being spoken at a particular time in the past... and if you want to believe in the babel story or not, you simply cannot deny the possiblity of it

"an original source"? You just gave two sources, not one. The Babel story is a simplistic one which might possibly serve to introduce the idea of languages splitting off form others, but if taken to seriously only trivializes the long and complex "evolution" of human language. Sure, Babel can be used as a metaphor when one wishes to wax poetic, but frankly, I do not see how it could be taken seriously.


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Message 49 of 71 (492307)
12-29-2008 11:00 PM
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12-29-2008 8:00 PM


Hi, Peg.

I can see that you've got a consistent idea in your head, but I don't think you understand the implications.

Peg writes:

i believe we were created with [the capacity for speech]. so for me, 'modern man' would equate to the creation of Adam & Eve...

...I do acknowledge that the species that came before us were real...however, i also believe that they, like all other animals, were created for a purpose and when their purpose was realized, they were permitted to become extinct....like the dinosaurs for instance.

More power to you for it, Peg.

But, you’ve got to account for the fact that, not only are there humans anatomically identical to modern humans living before the first signs of written language, but some of these pre-writing fossils connect genetically to modern humans! That means humans living today are the descendants of pre-writing humans, which completely refutes your notion that writing humans are distinct from pre-writing humans.

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Peg writes:

i certainly think that written language is unique to todays humans...i've never been presented with anything different...and as i've already stated, written language has only been around for the last 5,000 odd years... unless you can present anything different on this???

So what?

I can make similar arguments for spoken language, stone masonry, slavery, the sword, currency, the fur trade, democracy, the theory of evolution, the automobile, the atomic bomb, the computer and cloning (as well as thousands of other major advancements).

What makes you think written language is such a magical singularity in human history that humans who have it must be considered a distinct species from humans who predated it? And, how come these other great achievements don’t mark the advent of new species?

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Message 50 of 71 (492325)
12-30-2008 6:18 AM


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For those who would like to discuss Peg's ideas on the origin and implications of written language, if someone would submit a topic proposal over at Proposed New Topics I will promote as quickly as I can.

For everyone else, this thread's topic is about the timing of the evolutionary origins of modern man.


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Message 51 of 71 (492379)
12-30-2008 6:20 PM
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12-29-2008 3:46 AM


Re: Since written language?
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-10-10/33144.html

quote:

The rock art research center of the Second Northwest Institute for Ethnic Minorities (SNIEM) in Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region recently disclosed to the outside world that the most ancient picture writings in China, discovered among the numerous independent cliff painting groups at Ningxia’s Damaidi, are thousands years older than oracle-bone inscriptions. The discovery may change the history of Chinese characters.

According to a report of China’s Xinhua News Agency on Oct. 5, a surprising number of prehistoric cliff paintings were discovered at Damaidi, Beishan Mountain, Weining, Ningxia, which dates back to the late Paleolithic period (Old Stone Age) about 20,000 years ago.

The surveys and studies by cliff painting experts at the SNIEM found that there are 8,453 individual cliff painting figures at Damaidi in 3,172 groups. The figures feature the heavenly bodies (sun, moon and stars), holy spirit of Heaven and Earth, hunting and herding, dancing and sacrificial rites.

These experts determined that the early cliff paintings were 16,000 to 10,000 years old. They have conducted on-sight investigation and in-depth studies on individual figures of the cliff paintings for nearly two years, and their findings have been appraised by Shanghai's ancient Chinese characters expert Liu Jingyun.

The research revealed that the pictures and symbols discovered in Damaidi were Chinese ancient characters, and many of the hieroglyphic and abstract signs have acquired the key elements of ancient writings. Similar hieroglyphic characters can also be found in symbols and signs of the Pottery Writing (5000 to 1600 B.C.) discovered nearly at the same period of time and oracle-bone inscriptions afterward. Moreover, certain compound characters comprised of two or more hieroglyphic signs have also acquired essential elements of hieroglyphic characters, logical aggregates, and self-explanatory characters.

What’s more interesting is that such hieroglyphic signs were not marked sporadically in Damaidi’s cliff paintings; instead, they formed a star-shaped distribution. Li Xiangshi, researcher from the art rock research center of the SNIEM, pointed out that among the 1,500-plus signs of pictures and writings found at Damaidi, only a small quantity of them have been successfully deciphered, yet most remain unknown.



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Message 52 of 71 (492380)
12-30-2008 6:25 PM
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Re: Care to show us evidence Peg?
Nevermind. New topic submitted as per Admin's Suggestion.

Edited by Tanndarr, : Edited to create new topic request

Edited by Tanndarr, : post-submission


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Message 53 of 71 (492410)
12-31-2008 12:13 AM
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12-29-2008 8:30 PM


Re: Communication is communicaiton, it isn't limited to morse code, _ _ _ ... ,
Hello again Peg,

i see where you are going with this...i was referring to language in terms of, the written word.

And what I showed you was a wall covered with words, words documenting the natural history of the environment around them. On the other hand you can have a wall covered with alphabet marks, but that conveys no information. Thus using alphabet does not mean conveying information.

What you are really talking about is symbolism - the ability to represent something with a symbol, and then use that symbol to discuss to object. These paintings do that.

im not sure i would equate the use of tools as something that determines modern man for the reason that we can watch animals today use things as tools. the zoo in melbourne has a particular low land gorilla that pulls sticks off bush's to hit other gorillas with and to dig holes in the ground.

Two problems with this:

(1) Apes have, and understand, language too. We can communicate with them -- see Koko for starters.

(2) I'm not talking about making tools, but about communicating the technology to make tools, so that not only the single low-land gorilla knows how to do it. That this was done by Homo habilis is shown by having several work sites at each location where tools were made.

Yes, paintings are a form of communication too, but these paintings are quite young really...if the carbon 14 dating method that they used to date them is accurate

which is debatable.

Yes the paintings, as I said, are 10,000 to 15,000 years old. This is well within the area where carbon 14 dating can provide very reliable results, particularly where the carbon is from burned organic material -- as is used in the paintings.

You want to debate the accuracy of carbon-14 then please feel free to join Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III) and point out where the mistakes are in the correlations.

You will note, that as you have initiated this line of debate you have three options:

(1) participate in the thread linked above and show how unreliable carbon dating is with evidence and facts, something no other creationist has been able to do at this time.

(2) honestly admit that you know absolutely nothing about carbon dating, and you are saying this because you read some creationists sites that make this claim, and you trust them even though you know squat about the subject, and are therefore completely unable to tell when they are lying.

(3) pretend that you don't have to do either and continue to make false claims about valid science. This is the usual creationist response.

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Message 54 of 71 (492413)
12-31-2008 1:53 AM
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Peg the plagiarist?
Normally when you quote extensively from another source, it's expected that you will indicate that it's a quote and give the source. You got this:

quote:
An article in Science Illustrated of July 1948 (p. 63) states: “Older forms of the languages known today were far more difficult than their modern descendants . . . man appears not to have begun with a simple speech, and gradually made it more complex, but rather to have gotten hold of a tremendously knotty speech somewhere in the unrecorded past, and gradually simplified it to the modern forms.”

Linguist Dr. Mason also points out that “the idea that ‘savages’ speak in a series of grunts, and are unable to express many ‘civilized’ concepts, is very wrong,” and that “many of the languages of non-literate peoples are far more complex than modern European ones.” (Science News Letter, September 3, 1955, p. 148)


from this site. I haven't looked further, but I strongly suspect that much of what you included in the message I'm replying to is by someone else.

Or perhaps you are the orginal writer at the ALPHEBETS [sic] site. If so, it would be in your best interests to make clear that you are quoting your own work to avoid the appearance of plagiarism.


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Message 55 of 71 (492419)
12-31-2008 7:35 AM
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12-31-2008 1:53 AM


Re: Peg the plagiarist!!!
Well done Subbie.

Although that link goes to The Suffork County CC, did you notice this on the bottom of the page " Insight into the Scriptures, WB&TS, 1995, vol. II"

WB&TS = Watchtower Bible & Tract Society (Jehovah Witnesses)

Peg has moved us up to the cutting edge of scientific inquery.

I thought that article looked like it was written at the fourth grade level.

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Edited by petrophysics1, : Changed "Peg the plagiarist?" to "Peg the plagiarist!!!"


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Message 56 of 71 (492421)
12-31-2008 8:19 AM


Moderator Request
Guys, please calm down. Peg is not a plagiarist. Most people do not go to the trouble of citing the website where they found their citation to the original source.

Also, language is not the topic of this thread. A new thread has been promoted for this topic: Simultaneous appearance of written language and common man


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Message 57 of 71 (615698)
05-15-2011 8:32 PM
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Re: extantdodo
THE FOSSIL OF PEOPLE IS FOUND TOGETHER WITH DINOSAURS.
EARTH'S CRUST, 4.5 BILLION YEARS SINCE THE LAST REMELTING.

To get acquainted with the material presented: over 80 found objects, 270 photos, depicting the products that made the man, as well as petrified during lifetime the remains of people, dinosaurs, other animals and plants.
Perhaps this is only part of the museum, which was established in the vicinity of Moscow, at different periods of the long-standing era of the dinosaurs on Earth. Accordingly, scientific dating, this period lasted for 150 million years, from 220 until its end 65 million years ago.
Found a method of identifying products that were manufactured in a civilized era of dinosaurs. Atlantis, this is Europe, which was flooded and remained at the bottom of the ocean, from 150 to 95 million years ago. No need to search for it on the ocean floor near Spain, Egypt, Greenland and Italy. However, at the bottom of the ocean, some subjects less prone to destruction by man.

Here are photos:

http://picasaweb.google.ru/valentindolzhenko
http://cid-e92175053d387f21.photos.live.com/
Here the article: http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&t=13702
ABSENCE OF THE SUBSTANTIATION IN LAWS OF PRESERVATION AND NATURE DEVELOPMENT:
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=27215

It is known that a large variety of fossils, which form the crust of the Earth many times, has undergone destruction and remelting. This fact indicates the unsuitability of the known methods used to determine the age of our planet. These methods are suitable if, it is only to study crustal rocks belonging to the later period of their occurrence as a result of recent melting. Extremely old age, the stones are located on the surface of our planet and, indeed, perhaps, are only 4.5 billion years old, but not infinitely many trillions of years, truly inherent in the Earth and other planets, created through the synthesis of substances by organisms and their subsequent mineralization.
Do they think Geophysics over such a fact as a fossil of the heart in the four-meter reptile that has antiquity 65 million years and was found in the U.S. state of Carolina? Or the fact of fossilized organisms that lived before in the ocean and was found in the same state in the U.S., on the tops of steep slopes of the canyon? I doubt it. They Geophysics reasonably attempt to discuss the drift of continents, about the collision and drowning convergent rock layers underneath each other to melt into magma. They also suggest the disappearance of civilizations, which are replacing each other.

During studying of a role of natural selection in evolution of organisms, Charles Darwin and its followers assumed: the period (time) of occurrence of the reasonable person on our planet represents 50 and even 250 thousand years ago.
However in a vicinity of Moscow it is found: a fossil of people together with dinosaurs. Heads of people which were turned to stone completely correspond to anatomy of the modern person. Besides, torn off by claws of a dinosaur the head of the adult woman has damage. Owing to a strong bruise of a head in the conditions of own house in which there lived these civilized people, at a head the right angle (90 degrees) has been formed.
Simultaneously with the reasonable person, there were also more primitive forms of people. This is evidenced by the trace of rasp in the petrified brain of the savage.
In the course of studying of the bitten subjects the trace of thorns which corresponds to the form of the flower petals located on a surface of a jaw of a dinosaur has been found out.
The given test is absolutely specific to identification of a teeth of a dinosaur at presence transformed in a stone of its saliva and blood, in case of damage of own cheek. Besides during optical increase each thorn again forms a similar flower, but consisting of spikes of smaller, size.
A seal of these teeth were kept on subjects made by the person, and also on fragments of the bodies transformed into a stone, people, animals and plants.
And consequently as in the nature there is nothing except its inconsistent forms of life, a teeth of dinosaurs not only has erased a civilization in a powder, but also has allowed us to open it.
The set below the listed subjects, confirms a variety of levels of a civilization, since the tool of the Stone Age irrigated by blood, up to the iron weight and the parts of asphalt bitten by a dinosaur.
The culinary products made by the person, the bread baked in the form of a paw of a dinosaur, a part of a head of the big animal, chopped off by an axe, parts of a body of animals roasted on a fire, mushrooms, a pumpkin the baked, mature pear, and also the painful tooth of the person transformed into quartz.
In the same place are found undergone a fossil: 3 heads of dinosaurs, a muscular fabric of a dinosaur, egg dans l'ovaire females of the dinosaur, received by means of surgical operation and other parts of an organism.
It is very important that it is found not only a fossil of bones, but also many different parts of a body of an organism of people, animals and plants which also were turned to stone.
The products made of metal, ceramics, Ferro-concrete, the transparent crystals created by the nature in the form of a hedgehog, also are bitten by a dinosaur in the presence of its saliva turned to stone and blood.
People of an epoch of dinosaurs carried out various experiments for the purpose of studying of structure of heart and a brain. It is shown well by photos. They have embodied a fossil of heart of the adult person and a brain of the newborn child, in the presence of the contrast substance applied in experiment hundred million years ago.
All these subjects have been collected by the person in an epoch of dinosaurs for the purpose of creation of a museum of the lost forms of a civilization.
Besides the aforesaid, it is necessary to pay attention and that the age of the found head of the dinosaur transformed to a stone, is equal to approximately three billions years, that is, it ten times exceeds an antiquity of occurrence of the dinosaurs known in a science. And as, geochemistry with geophysics prove, that on the Earth and in space there is nothing more ancient, than a granite then the teeth of other dinosaur transformed to a granite, have age of our Earth which already five billions years.
The technical progress inherent in mankind, gradually accelerating rates on a planet, promoted elimination of set of kinds of animals which inevitably entered with it the contradiction, and especially dinosaurs. At the same time, other forms of organisms, occupied space of the disappeared kinds. We were particularly convinced of it on an example of last centuries of own evolution which inconsistent essence was at all times and remains invariable.
But if hundred millions years ago the mankind had high level of technical progress, by means of which it could change world around to exclude an attack of dinosaurs on the car in the course of travel on asphalt road why so a lot of time was required for the restoration, the lost level?
Probably, periodic return of this kind of cataclysms was the main obstacle for restoration of the lost civilization. And only through long millions years, stones have been transformed into sand, by means of a wind and water in the course of what there was a gradual restoration of a fertile soil.
Whether it is valid on planets and in the nature so: stones of various structures are generated in the course of synthesis of substance, which undergoes further a mineralization?!
In this case it turns out so: organisms which absorb photons, protons, neutrons, kernels of Helium and other elementary particles, synthesize substance, and thus increase weight of a planet. Splinters of planets, comets and asteroids at falling on a star, mutually increase its weight and duration of a luminescence. It, certainly, contradicts formation of bodies by means of cold or hot merge of substance, in the absence of its synthesis in the nature, but thought up in a head of astrophysicists.
On the basis of the received facts is drawn a conclusion that people live in unity of biological forms during long time. That is why the greatest error of a modern science consists that time of disappearance of primitive forms of people destroyed by the person, by mistake is accepted as the period of occurrence of the person reasonable.
This outlook indicates that we will soon receive confirmation of the presence of fossils of various forms of organisms on the moon and other planets, where astronauts are looking for a jewel in line with the recommendation of the evolutionists, who invented the regular raving about the origin of our planet, together with the mother of the universe. Thus, they continue to hang noodles on the ears of students and schoolchildren, on behalf of the representatives of world science for centuries.
===============================================
As to me I do not concern neither anthropology, nor to paleontology and archeology. Never have I participated in expeditions, I do not organize special searches and consequently at all I do not know any expert from the mentioned areas of a science. However curiosity inherent in my nature compels me to pay attention and to subjects of our history. Organisms which are turned to stone, I, as a rule, find almost at a threshold of houses where I should live. Whether bring these stones from open-cast mines with gravel for a construction of roads, or from bogs with the black earth for a covering of lawns.
It is quite probable that my participation in penetration into secret of natural selection and a reproduction of viable organisms inevitably, i.e., irrespective of own desire has connected my destiny to destiny of Charles Darwins and, in particular, has led to detection of the people who have undergone a mineralization in an epoch of dinosaurs. What it is destiny?


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Message 58 of 71 (615700)
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Re: extantdodo
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THE FOSSIL OF PEOPLE IS FOUND TOGETHER WITH DINOSAURS.
EARTH'S CRUST, 4.5 BILLION YEARS SINCE THE LAST REMELTING.

To get acquainted with the material presented: over 80 found objects, 270 photos, depicting the products that made the man, as well as petrified during lifetime the remains of people, dinosaurs, other animals and plants.
Perhaps this is only part of the museum, which was established in the vicinity of Moscow, at different periods of the long-standing era of the dinosaurs on Earth. Accordingly, scientific dating, this period lasted for 150 million years, from 220 until its end 65 million years ago.
Found a method of identifying products that were manufactured in a civilized era of dinosaurs. Atlantis, this is Europe, which was flooded and remained at the bottom of the ocean, from 150 to 95 million years ago. No need to search for it on the ocean floor near Spain, Egypt, Greenland and Italy. However, at the bottom of the ocean, some subjects less prone to destruction by man.

Here are photos:

http://picasaweb.google.ru/valentindolzhenko
http://cid-e92175053d387f21.photos.live.com/
Here the article: http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&t=13702
ABSENCE OF THE SUBSTANTIATION IN LAWS OF PRESERVATION AND NATURE DEVELOPMENT:
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=27215

It is known that a large variety of fossils, which form the crust of the Earth many times, has undergone destruction and remelting. This fact indicates the unsuitability of the known methods used to determine the age of our planet. These methods are suitable if, it is only to study crustal rocks belonging to the later period of their occurrence as a result of recent melting. Extremely old age, the stones are located on the surface of our planet and, indeed, perhaps, are only 4.5 billion years old, but not infinitely many trillions of years, truly inherent in the Earth and other planets, created through the synthesis of substances by organisms and their subsequent mineralization.
Do they think Geophysics over such a fact as a fossil of the heart in the four-meter reptile that has antiquity 65 million years and was found in the U.S. state of Carolina? Or the fact of fossilized organisms that lived before in the ocean and was found in the same state in the U.S., on the tops of steep slopes of the canyon? I doubt it. They Geophysics reasonably attempt to discuss the drift of continents, about the collision and drowning convergent rock layers underneath each other to melt into magma. They also suggest the disappearance of civilizations, which are replacing each other.

During studying of a role of natural selection in evolution of organisms, Charles Darwin and its followers assumed: the period (time) of occurrence of the reasonable person on our planet represents 50 and even 250 thousand years ago.
However in a vicinity of Moscow it is found: a fossil of people together with dinosaurs. Heads of people which were turned to stone completely correspond to anatomy of the modern person. Besides, torn off by claws of a dinosaur the head of the adult woman has damage. Owing to a strong bruise of a head in the conditions of own house in which there lived these civilized people, at a head the right angle (90 degrees) has been formed.
Simultaneously with the reasonable person, there were also more primitive forms of people. This is evidenced by the trace of rasp in the petrified brain of the savage.
In the course of studying of the bitten subjects the trace of thorns which corresponds to the form of the flower petals located on a surface of a jaw of a dinosaur has been found out.
The given test is absolutely specific to identification of a teeth of a dinosaur at presence transformed in a stone of its saliva and blood, in case of damage of own cheek. Besides during optical increase each thorn again forms a similar flower, but consisting of spikes of smaller, size.
A seal of these teeth were kept on subjects made by the person, and also on fragments of the bodies transformed into a stone, people, animals and plants.
And consequently as in the nature there is nothing except its inconsistent forms of life, a teeth of dinosaurs not only has erased a civilization in a powder, but also has allowed us to open it.
The set below the listed subjects, confirms a variety of levels of a civilization, since the tool of the Stone Age irrigated by blood, up to the iron weight and the parts of asphalt bitten by a dinosaur.
The culinary products made by the person, the bread baked in the form of a paw of a dinosaur, a part of a head of the big animal, chopped off by an axe, parts of a body of animals roasted on a fire, mushrooms, a pumpkin the baked, mature pear, and also the painful tooth of the person transformed into quartz.
In the same place are found undergone a fossil: 3 heads of dinosaurs, a muscular fabric of a dinosaur, egg dans l'ovaire females of the dinosaur, received by means of surgical operation and other parts of an organism.
It is very important that it is found not only a fossil of bones, but also many different parts of a body of an organism of people, animals and plants which also were turned to stone.
The products made of metal, ceramics, Ferro-concrete, the transparent crystals created by the nature in the form of a hedgehog, also are bitten by a dinosaur in the presence of its saliva turned to stone and blood.
People of an epoch of dinosaurs carried out various experiments for the purpose of studying of structure of heart and a brain. It is shown well by photos. They have embodied a fossil of heart of the adult person and a brain of the newborn child, in the presence of the contrast substance applied in experiment hundred million years ago.
All these subjects have been collected by the person in an epoch of dinosaurs for the purpose of creation of a museum of the lost forms of a civilization.
Besides the aforesaid, it is necessary to pay attention and that the age of the found head of the dinosaur transformed to a stone, is equal to approximately three billions years, that is, it ten times exceeds an antiquity of occurrence of the dinosaurs known in a science. And as, geochemistry with geophysics prove, that on the Earth and in space there is nothing more ancient, than a granite then the teeth of other dinosaur transformed to a granite, have age of our Earth which already five billions years.
The technical progress inherent in mankind, gradually accelerating rates on a planet, promoted elimination of set of kinds of animals which inevitably entered with it the contradiction, and especially dinosaurs. At the same time, other forms of organisms, occupied space of the disappeared kinds. We were particularly convinced of it on an example of last centuries of own evolution which inconsistent essence was at all times and remains invariable.
But if hundred millions years ago the mankind had high level of technical progress, by means of which it could change world around to exclude an attack of dinosaurs on the car in the course of travel on asphalt road why so a lot of time was required for the restoration, the lost level?
Probably, periodic return of this kind of cataclysms was the main obstacle for restoration of the lost civilization. And only through long millions years, stones have been transformed into sand, by means of a wind and water in the course of what there was a gradual restoration of a fertile soil.
Whether it is valid on planets and in the nature so: stones of various structures are generated in the course of synthesis of substance, which undergoes further a mineralization?!
In this case it turns out so: organisms which absorb photons, protons, neutrons, kernels of Helium and other elementary particles, synthesize substance, and thus increase weight of a planet. Splinters of planets, comets and asteroids at falling on a star, mutually increase its weight and duration of a luminescence. It, certainly, contradicts formation of bodies by means of cold or hot merge of substance, in the absence of its synthesis in the nature, but thought up in a head of astrophysicists.
On the basis of the received facts is drawn a conclusion that people live in unity of biological forms during long time. That is why the greatest error of a modern science consists that time of disappearance of primitive forms of people destroyed by the person, by mistake is accepted as the period of occurrence of the person reasonable.
This outlook indicates that we will soon receive confirmation of the presence of fossils of various forms of organisms on the moon and other planets, where astronauts are looking for a jewel in line with the recommendation of the evolutionists, who invented the regular raving about the origin of our planet, together with the mother of the universe. Thus, they continue to hang noodles on the ears of students and schoolchildren, on behalf of the representatives of world science for centuries.
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As to me I do not concern neither anthropology, nor to paleontology and archeology. Never have I participated in expeditions, I do not organize special searches and consequently at all I do not know any expert from the mentioned areas of a science. However curiosity inherent in my nature compels me to pay attention and to subjects of our history. Organisms which are turned to stone, I, as a rule, find almost at a threshold of houses where I should live. Whether bring these stones from open-cast mines with gravel for a construction of roads, or from bogs with the black earth for a covering of lawns.
It is quite probable that my participation in penetration into secret of natural selection and a reproduction of viable organisms inevitably, i.e., irrespective of own desire has connected my destiny to destiny of Charles Darwins and, in particular, has led to detection of the people who have undergone a mineralization in an epoch of dinosaurs. What it is destiny?

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The fossil of people is found together with dinosaurs
THE FOSSIL OF PEOPLE IS FOUND TOGETHER WITH DINOSAURS.
EARTH'S CRUST, 4.5 BILLION YEARS SINCE THE LAST REMELTING.

Here are photos:

http://picasaweb.google.ru/valentindolzhenko
http://cid-e92175053d387f21.photos.live.com/
Here the article: http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&t=13702
ABSENCE OF THE SUBSTANTIATION IN LAWS OF PRESERVATION AND NATURE DEVELOPMENT:
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=27215


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