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Tranquility Base
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Message 5 of 193 (19961)
10-15-2002 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Delshad
10-15-2002 3:13 PM


My only point is regardless of linearity or non-linearity of genotype-phenotype relationships, genes do dictate phenotype so no-one is surprised at the genetic similarity of us to chimps - we are phsyiologically very similar. But that could be due to a common designer.
If God created man for his purposes but used some sort of evoltuion then that evoltuion is so far removed from purposeless evolution it should almost not be called evolution.
Delshad the type of evoltuion you are believing in is very different to that of the atheists here. And maybe they are wrong and we are simply seeing the signature of a common creator.
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Message 10 of 193 (19970)
10-15-2002 9:34 PM
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10-15-2002 8:25 PM


Phenotype does not have to be macroscopically morphological. Cytochromes will be used wherever required in respiration.

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Message 11 of 193 (19971)
10-15-2002 9:38 PM
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10-15-2002 8:46 PM


Percy
I'm fully aware that not all atheists are evolutionists. I am saying exactly what I said - the evolution of an atheist is very different to that of some non-atheists. Perhaps that is a thought worth considering.
PS - that's a very nice quoting style.
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Message 14 of 193 (19980)
10-15-2002 11:39 PM
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10-15-2002 11:03 PM


If (for example) Delshad believes that God prodded evolution at arbitrary steps, at some point this begs the quesiton - maybe God just created everything. It is a slippery slope to that creationism thing!

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Message 15 of 193 (19981)
10-15-2002 11:42 PM
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10-15-2002 9:58 PM


Good point nos - I got that the wrong way around.
The creationist atheist is almost as funny as the idea of the ark getting launched but not making it through the flood.
See also my post to Percy.

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Message 25 of 193 (20060)
10-16-2002 11:37 PM
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10-16-2002 9:18 PM


Percy
We are showing that it is possible that the data shows this. You don't agree but we believe the data does demonstrate exactly what you think it doesn't.

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Message 26 of 193 (20080)
10-17-2002 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Delshad
10-16-2002 6:25 AM


Delshad
You are wondering whether pschologically and spiritually we have begun to think of ourselves as related to animals in parallel, or because of, Darwinism.
The answer would probably be yes and no.
Even though the modern world is full of talk of evolution, when everyone gets home and plays with their children or switches on the TV the similarity of us to animals is probably far from their mind.
I think most people know deep down that we are not animals despite the dogma. At least in the US an incredible majority still believe in God and a very large minority do not beleive in evolution. Sophisticated, educated people beleive that is becasue of a lack of education. I beleive it is becasue of conscience as well as a lack of brainwashing by mainstream science in that subset of the population.
What interests you about your question?

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