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From chimp to man: it's as easy as 1, 2, 3!

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ringo
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Message 19 of 128 (266405)
12-07-2005 1:20 PM 		Reply to: Message 16 by Carico
12-07-2005 12:57 PM

Carico writes:
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since humans and animals cannot interbreed, then a human cannot be the descendant of an ape.
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That doesn't follow at all. You're thinking backwards.
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If two animals can breed and produce offspring, those offspring will be different from their parents. And after many generations, the differences accumulate. Distant cousins may no longer be able to interbreed - i.e. they become different species.
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Of course the process is not reversible - nobody ever said it was. But that doesn't make the forward process impossible.
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12-07-2005 2:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 20 by Carico
12-07-2005 2:09 PM

Carico writes:
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So how did we "evolve" from an ape if we are not its descendants?
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We did not evolve from apes. Apes are our cousins, not our grandparents.
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Our grandparents produced our parents and the apes' parents. Every generation is different. (Do your children look exactly like you?)
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Then the apes' parents produced the apes and our parents produced us. The apes are different from their parents and even more different from their grandparents. Similarly, we are different from our parents and even more different from our grandparents. (Of course there are more than three generations in the real "family tree" - but can you really not understand how the apes can be our distant cousins?)
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As it happens, we can not interbreed with our distant cousins, the apes. That doesn't mean that we don't have the same ancestors. It only means that there have been a lot of changes over the generations and that the apes have changed in different ways than we have.
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12-07-2005 2:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 22 by Carico
12-07-2005 2:30 PM

Carico writes:
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The key phrase in your post was "if animals can breed and produce offspring..."
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Yes, I said that if animals can mate and produce offspring.... I didn't say anything about different species mating together. That has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution. The Theory of Evolution is about offspring being different from their parents and about the differences accumulating over many generations. Eventually, different lines of descent become unable to interbreed.
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You are still thinking backwards when you insist that the reverse process is impossible. Think about the forward process.
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12-07-2005 2:45 PM 		Reply to: Message 24 by Carico
12-07-2005 2:36 PM

Carico writes:
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I understand how evolutionists explain the theory of evolution....
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No you don't, as all of your posts demonstrate.
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The Theory of evolution is not about different species mating together to produce a new species.
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Each species is unique and has its own unique set of genes.
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And each set of genes changes with every generation.
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No species can be intermingled with another species unless the 2 can breed offspring together.
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And that is not what the Theory of Evolution says. That is the first thing you need to learn in Evolution Kindergarten.
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