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Author Topic:   Is there any indication of increased intellegence over time within the Human species?
Carico
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Message 91 of 99 (268229)
12-12-2005 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by mike the wiz
10-17-2005 1:09 PM


Re: Creation Wins
And how is it rational to believe that fallible humans can create infallible truths? That's why the truth can only come from an infallible source because the truth is, by definition, without error. Yet man is, by definition, with error. So whatever infallible truths man discovers are God's creation. When one agrees with God, he will always be right. But when he disagrees with God, he will always be wrong because infallible truths can only come from an infallible source...unless of course you are saying that scientists are infallible. If not, then why defend their theories so vehemently, particularly when they contradict reality? Animals and humans do not interbreed. That is a fact. So it is also a fact that humans cannot be the descendants of animals. All rational people can see that.
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Message 92 of 99 (268241)
12-12-2005 2:37 PM
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12-12-2005 2:22 PM


Re: Creation Wins
Carico you continue to post the same thing no matter what forum you are posting to. This thread is NOT about animals and humans interbreeding and it is NOT about spiritual matters.
This is a science forum,if you want to talk beliefs please take it to the faith and belief sections.
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    Carico
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    Message 93 of 99 (268245)
    12-12-2005 2:44 PM
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    12-12-2005 2:37 PM


    Re: Creation Wins
    I responded to a statement made by some in this thread concerning rationality. Was his post off-topic? If so, then why am I called to account for responding to it and he was not? If not, then why can't I respond to it? Or am I supposed to blindly believe it? This is unbelievable bias.

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    Carico
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    Message 94 of 99 (268249)
    12-12-2005 2:50 PM
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    12-12-2005 2:37 PM


    Re: Creation Wins
    And by the way, this thread is about human intelligence which was the topic of my post. I explained in a rational way why fallible humans cannot understand infallible truths.

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    Message 95 of 99 (268250)
    12-12-2005 2:52 PM
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    12-12-2005 2:44 PM


    Re: Creation Wins
    The post you are replying to is several months old. I'm not planning on following it back through the thread to see where if it does or does not bring this thread off topic.
    You are being called on off topic posts because you continue to bring the same argument to every thread, no matter what the topic is.
    Again, do NOT reply to this post. Bring any issues to the appropriate thread in my signature. Continued failure to follow moderator suggestions and Forum Guidelines will result in suspension.

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    Message 96 of 99 (268251)
    12-12-2005 2:54 PM


    No human baby born today has any more intellignece than those who lived before him. He learns what he is taught just like all babies before him. Only the difference is that previous babies did not have the benefit of as many past minds as the babies born today. No one is born with knowledge. It has to be learned. Yet I doubt that most people today in our society know how to milk a cow or how to exist without electricity. Nor do most people do all the claculations that the minds in previous generations did in order to form the inventions we have today. So calling people who lived long before we do today, "primitive" or less intelligent is erroneous. They simply didn't have the benefit of generations of minds to accumulate the inofrmation we have today.

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    Message 97 of 99 (270442)
    12-18-2005 3:19 AM
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    12-12-2005 2:54 PM


    so you equate knowledge with intellegence? isn't that a bit of a wrong view? there are lots of knowledgable people that arn't super intelligent, and more and more children are born with intelligence that outpaces the last generation, just ask any parent
    of course children arn't born with knowledge but, no one says that. what we are saying is people now absorb more information and learn things faster and produce new things easier than earlier generations, that shows an increase in intellegence
    knowledge and intellegence normally go hand in hand but not always
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    Speel-yi
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    Message 98 of 99 (285826)
    02-11-2006 9:38 AM
    Reply to: Message 90 by Yaro
    12-07-2005 1:15 PM


    quote:
    Which scientists?
    Further, we have longer lifespans than ever before. Better medicin than ever before. Higher standards of living than ever before. We get to keep our teeth longer than ever before. More people are fed than ever before. The population is larger than ever before.
    If you look back only 100 years ago, you are correct in thinking that life has gotten better in industrialized societies. However, people in pre-agricultural societies were on averege healthier than they are today and lived fairly long lives. Check out the Neolithic Paradox to see what might give you some insight about this.
    quote:
    I agree that there is alot of suffering and crappyness in the world. And I agree that human stupidity combined with great power is a recipie for destruction.
    But your idea that people before were "just as" smart as people today is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Open your eyes and look around you. See what mankind has accomplished and be greatfull.
    Your average person can't even repair a computer once it breaks down and the numerous jokes about programing VCRs is evidence that your average person is in fact quite stupid.
    We tend to specialize in modern societies, so much so that your average person is far more dependent on "sub-humans" to cook, clean and repair our cars.
    I would contend that a stone age person had to be far smarter in order to just get by on a daily basis. They had to do it all, because if they didn't, they were probably dead on short order.
    quote:
    Not too long ago your lifespan would have been estimated at 30.
    In many places today, the life expectancy is much shorter than that. And the infant mortality rate in the United States is deplorable given the accumulated wealth that is here.
    BTW, lots of stupid people that have never had an original thought in their lives live to ripe old ages. Case in point...Richard Butler of the Aryan Nations lived far longer than many people that were far smarter than him.
    One other thing about what you said: it is very likely that plumbers and garbage men have had more to do with increased life span than mordern medicine. The improvement in sanitation is probably the one thing that sets modern industrial societies apart from the earlier ones.

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    Message 99 of 99 (288013)
    02-18-2006 4:08 AM


    People only benefit from what has come before. Each mind must start from scratch. As a whole we have an evolution of thinking. As a whole we increase knowledge. Increased knowledge as a whole is self evident.
    Increased ability in individual intelectual abilities....I say no.
    As a whole I say yes because of the general improvement in the availability and quality of education. More people are now able to express thier inteligence.
    However the term inteligence is very subjective.
    Certainly the view that we have an advanced society as being evidience of our inteligence is a very biased opinion.
    I believe in this discussion we should avoid the trap of seeing inteligence as some sort of superiority.
    I would say that intligence, knowledge, and common sense or wisdom are all intertwined. There are knowledgeable people who can manage and store much information ...recite it and apply it but are not good at formulating new ideas from it. There are those who have the ability to formulate new ideas without a complete knowledge of a subject. there are those that can visualize what many never will, who have the common sense of a rock. The common addage between the engineer who tells the layout person how it works on paper and the layout person who makes it work in the real world.
    I play music with a friend who could inhale information in the academic venue. He was amazingly mechanically inclined. He could read music very well. But he could not "jam" worth a hoot.
    I have other thoughts but that is enough for now.

      
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