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Quetzal
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Message 27 of 33 (33128)
02-25-2003 4:26 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by jimmyevolution
02-24-2003 10:37 PM


Re: Let Science guide us to truth and ultimately to God
And to add a third critique of jimmy's sources, one of his most copiously cited reference (JP Rushton's "Race, Evolution and Behavior") has also received a great deal of fire from evolutionary biologists, geneticists, etc. An interesting expose of the poor scientific methodology and questionable results published in that book can be found in Douglas Wahlsten's review here. What can you expect from an author who got his start on fame on "Geraldo"? I'm not sure what the intent of the OP was, but the sources cited all along seem to be somewhat questionable.
Fundamentally - not one single "difference" cited anywhere on this thread can be used as diagnostic (which I would consider crucial for valid science).

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Quetzal
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Message 30 of 33 (33136)
02-25-2003 7:29 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by jimmyevolution
02-25-2003 5:47 AM


Re: A futher rebuttal
Well well well. Struck a nerve, eh? Hmm, since we're being told Dr. Rushton "...is undoubtedly the world's foremost authority on racial differences...", and that he has unquestionable "intellectual honesty", etc, perhaps we might just take a quick look at some background information before deciding, no? After all, if we're to take this person as a stellar scientist, it might be worthwhile looking at how stellar he really is. Argument from authority allows a look at the alleged "authority". Let's see, jimmy, perhaps you could answer a few questions:
1. Have you ever heard of the Pioneer Fund? Perhaps you know what this organization is based upon?
2. Is there any truth to the rumor that the Pioneer Fund was founded by Wickliffe Draper in 1937 to promote eugenics and the procreation of white racial stock, and that they funded the distribution of the Nazi film Hereditary Defective in the US? Do you know what recent publications and/or "scientists" have been supported by the Fund? Are you aware of the content of "Mankind Quarterly", published by the fund?
3. Is there any truth to the rumor that Rushton received US$473,875 from the Pioneer Fund in 2000? How about the rumor that he is on the editorial board of the Fund?
4. Would you care to comment on this article in "The Scientist", Genetic Indexing Of Race Groups Is Irresponsible And Unscientific, wherein he is taken to task by Frederic Weizmann (U. of Guelph)?
5. Is it true that 30-35,000 copies of an abridged version of the book were mailed to ASA and APA members, paid for by the Pioneer Fund?
Of course, it can be argued (as Rushton apparently has), that the Fund is no longer a fascist or supremacist front org, and that just 'cause he received money from it doesn't mean it influenced his science. I will say I find it highly suggestive. Interesting, in any event.
Oh, and btw, I didn't say he got his start on Geraldo. I said he got his start on fame on Geraldo.

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