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Author Topic:   A proof against ID and Creationism
david12
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Message 72 of 300 (246864)
09-28-2005 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by bkelly
09-19-2005 7:56 PM


My interest in the case of evolution vs creation has been sparked by the
upcoming trial. Ive taken the argument of
creation, and I had a few questions i wondered if you could answer. Before
I start I wanted to make one thing clear. I am arguing for creation, not
for any religion in particular. I just want to put to test the creation by
God, or the evolving of everything we see today. Also, I am not taking the
position that the world was created in 7 actual days.
1. Where is the "actual" fossil evidence of creatures in-between species?
Microevolution is accepted among both creation and evolution. I am not
asking for differences on lets say, a horse, that has a different number of
toes. A horse with one toe and a horse with two are both horses. Where is
the evidence that there can be any evolution from one species to another?
2. If we are talking science, which most evolution based men do, how do you
justify evolution when the Law of Entropy and the Law of the conservation of
matter have been scientifically proven?
The law of entropy states "The second law of thermodynamics states that in
any isolated system, the degree of disorder can only increase. Our universe
is an isolated system, so the degree of disorder is always increasing. How
is this possible?"(http://me.essortment.com/entropylawssc_recn.htm) If this
is true, which science says it is, how can a random assortment of "stuff" or
"soup" turn into an ordered society like ours today? Furthermore, the law
of the conservation of matter states "The total quantity of matter and
energy available in the universe is a fixed amount and never any more or
less"shortened link
If this is true, how would a chemical reaction occur between some elements
to produce cells, who somehow multiplied?
3. How did the first components that "created the first cells" get there?
Lets just say that it was scientifically sound to say that certain gases and
other materials when present together can react(I am not very educated on
the effects of such a thing). How did those gases, and those materials get
there? By combinations of other gases and things? Well then how did they
get there?
4. The evolution of the eye.
Every component in the eye needs to be present and alligned for it to work.
If they eye is evolving(a fishes eye is different than ours) then how come
everything isnt blind?
5. (this is just a point if you want to contradict it you may) Everything
in the world has a creator. Look around. The computer im looking at was
put together in a factory somewhere, and the pieces to make it were formed
by a creator as well. Is it not feasable to conclude that the earth and its
inhabitants have a creator too?
6. How do you explain the emotions, passions, love of human beings?
You may say because it is an evolving tool that helps us be the fittest.
There is a sense of justice amongst human beings. One such emotion, that I
do not see has a "natural selection" value is love.
I am not here to say "you know what, I am right, and you are wrong." All I
want is answers. One thing I would like you to think about though, is this.
When you get off the computer, look into your wife's eyes. Look at your
mother. Pick up your child. Can you look into their eyes and tell me that
they were just some mistake? That the people that you hold dear to you are
just random assortments of chance and stuff and it is just from apes to man
that they are who they are? Can you think of a loved one who you has passed
away and say "Well, they are dead. And because They were just some random
combination of stuff, I will never see them again because they are gone
forever?"
This message has been edited by AdminJar, 09-28-2005 09:18 AM

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david12
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Message 81 of 300 (247113)
09-28-2005 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Nuggin
09-28-2005 3:24 AM


Re: Welcome David12
3. How did the first components that "created the first cells" get there?
This topic is abiogenisis - life from not life. It's an interesting topic, but it's not really important to Theory of Evolution. Evolution takes over once life exists. How life got there, not important to the Theory.
How is this topic not important to the theory of Evolution? We are all here to find out where we came from, how it all started. So if you go back to how it all started, how did those first components get there? How would the space even be there for something to be created in? There needs to be a master, something that started it all.

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