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Dawn Bertot
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Message 40 of 107 (589238)
11-01-2010 2:27 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Dr Adequate
10-31-2010 12:37 AM


Re: What, judges cant be idiots like yourselves?
Well, they have to explain why ID is a defense of religious truthiness when they're raising funds from fundies, but has nothing whatsoever to do with religion when they're in front of a judge.
So the judge was and is an idiot, much the same way you scientologists cant understand how evidence works? Big deal. This is why we always challenge you clowns to public debates (thats actually in person, if you dont understand), only to watch the excuses fly as to why you cannot accept.
Oh yeah, Flew and Matson gave it a whirl and we saw HOW that turned out. I understand why you dont accept, dont be embarrased, anybody can shout loudly from quite, noisless websites
The judge was under pressure as a civil represenative to side with those he thought would have the most influence later on. This happens all the time
He was not only an idiot but a coward to boot
Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Message 41 of 107 (589239)
11-01-2010 2:40 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Dirk
10-31-2010 12:54 PM


Re: Final exam questions
I have no idea how these religious "universities" operate (there's nothing of the sort in my home country), but I can imagine that prospective students are quite religious anyway and are already convinced of the significance of ID.*
Oh I love this one. How IDers start with a conclusion and then look for evidence to support it.
While this is in no way true, would you mean the same way Darwin started with a conclusion by observation in the 1800s, then it took everybody else running around looking for the evidence to support his conclusions and preconcieved notions
You mean that kind of "significance of evolution"?
Dawn Bertot

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Message 46 of 107 (589345)
11-01-2010 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by frako
11-01-2010 3:44 AM


Re: Final exam questions
thats why he predicted they would find evidence if they would not there would be no evolution, what does ID predict ? How can it be falsified? What assumptions are yet to be proven and can they be left out ?
I noticed you didnt deny that he started with a conclusion, something you fellas proclaim is bass ackwards. So if your DADDY started with a conclusion are we justified in doing the same?
ID can be falsified, simply by demonstrating that order and law do not eixst, including purpose
ID predicts that law and order is recognizable and continues in great detail, in minute detail, in specific detail
It also predicts this behavior will continue, if taken outside of the womb and placed in a test tube, for example
It predicts that this process will continue even if it is proclaimed to not be design.
What assumptions are yet to be proven and can they be left out ?
One would need to forumulate an assumption that these things do not exist for the assumption to have any meaning
I wanted to address your question before getting back to the topic in my other responses
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 47 of 107 (589346)
11-01-2010 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Dr Adequate
11-01-2010 4:30 AM


Re: Final exam questions
One of these things appears to be the scientific method. You have already had several threads to be thoroughly wrong about that topic; this one is about something else.
I know its about something else and I just wanted to respond to Frakos inquiry
Since there is nothing in the scientific method that affects the tenets of ID, your statement makes no sense as usual
Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Message 48 of 107 (589348)
11-01-2010 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Taq
11-01-2010 1:35 PM


Re: What, judges cant be idiots like yourselves?
The very fact that you call for debates instead of ID scientific research tells us that you don't know how science works.
Wrong. We are happy to discuss that very topic in public debate, in fact we insist on it being discussed.
The fact that you distinguish debate from ID research demonstrates you know nothing of either
False. The judge was there to protect the Constituion, which he did. Look up the Lemon Test sometime and then tell us what secular uses ID has.
what he was defending was a misunderstanding of evidence and how it works, or he simply overlooked it or was not presented it, correctly
ID has to do with whether it is evidential or applicable, Im not sure why you think it has to have secular value to be valid
Dawn Bertot

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Message 49 of 107 (589351)
11-01-2010 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Nij
11-01-2010 4:32 AM


Re: Final exam questions
And as it happens, your snide rejoinder completely missed the point.
Those students are supposed to provide an essay demonstrating, as part of the standard for the course, that ID has some theological significance. This says entirely nothing about ID/creationism's preconceived conclusions. Which all of us here know about, but that's off-topic.
That you would take such an unambiguous discussion about why they are there and what they are supposed to demonstrate as part of the course, and infer that we are talking about ID/creationism's tendency to ignore evidence in favour of preconceived notions, says a lot about what you really see in it.
Why does it bother you that ID may have some theological application,in connection with science, in a private school. Are you trying to control thier thoughts as well now
Dawn Bertot

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Message 50 of 107 (589352)
11-01-2010 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by RAZD
08-10-2009 9:04 PM


Re: Dembski in a snit: Let's challenge his students (to see if they think)
Perhaps we should issue a challenge: “Intelligent Design Supporters Strictly Welcomed -- all you have to do is support your claims with facts and answer all rebuttals.”
Perhaps we should start a new thread just for them.
Any time you are ready RAZD. Just set out the proposition and if my hands are not tied by admin in omiting what i need to discuss it, you have your challenge met
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 57 of 107 (589443)
11-02-2010 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Nij
11-02-2010 12:17 AM


Re: Final exam questions
I'm full aware this is off-topic, but somebody needs to do it...
Expalin what IT is that you need to do
It doesn't bother me at all that ID has theological aspects.
What does bother me is that instead of discussing those aspects and specifically the students' requirement to present them, you decided to complain about preconceived conclusions supposedly being the basis of evolution.
Is this different than you complaining about what some private college does. it seems that even private institutions are not free from you fellas tyranny
it seems you are not far removed from Hillary trying to control what people think and thier opinions to make them hate crimes. Sorry jr thats why they are private colleges so they dont have to be controlled by tyrants like yourself and Dawkins
Here's a thought for you: how about you don't project ID/creationism's shortcomings onto real science?
heres another thought. Only a tyrant and an arrogant moron would claim to have the only definition of real science, so why dont you stay out of thier buisness
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 59 of 107 (589446)
11-02-2010 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Nij
11-02-2010 12:49 AM


Re: I'm full aware this is off-topic, but somebody needs to do it...
Actually, no, it indicates that Taq knows the difference between the two.
Perhaps in ID Crazyland "research" and "public debate" are synonymous, but out here in reality, they aren't.
well sure when you set up what the rules of science are in your own little world and then proclaim victory, sure you can call this reality if you want
Your understanding of science and evidence is limited and ridiculous
taq understands very little then, because debate is not opinion and is not restricted to an auditorium, debate is simply a point of view given the amount of evidence presented
Hmm, you mean evidence like what was presented to him them? Funny thing is, the witnesses that creotards presented admitted that ID was of a religious nature and the scientific community demonstrated that it was not science. And guess what? It happened that they used that evidence and made their decision not once, not twice, not thrice, not even just four times, but five times!
Then thier admission was INACCURATE and the conclusion that ID is not science was stupidity of the highest order
And guess what I noticed you did not present that EVIDENCE here that supposedly demonstrates ID as not science.
Hey instead of bragging simpleton, perhaps you could present that "evidence"
Dawn Bertot

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Message 60 of 107 (589447)
11-02-2010 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by onifre
11-02-2010 4:33 PM


Re: Final exam questions
Instead they opt for less educated tyrants to tell them what to do? It's a private college for a reason you simple minded fool!
You honestly believe they are private because they only want to present a view of ID?
hey perhaps you could present the evidence that demonstrates that Id is not science, as of yet ive only established it follows all the same rules of the "scientific method"
ive demonstrated its similarities, tell me what it lacks, come ONI you can do better than these other clowns
Dawn Bertot

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Message 63 of 107 (589450)
11-02-2010 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Larni
11-02-2010 11:09 AM


Re: Final exam questions
The point is: ID is dressed up theology. Nothing more, nothing less.
See here is your problem, you cant see the forest for the trees. your so intent on proving ID wrong or religious, you cant see that its simply, evidence of a thing, the same way evolution is not counter religious, but it does imply the eternality of matter
Dawn Bertot

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Message 64 of 107 (589453)
11-02-2010 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Dirk
11-02-2010 4:48 PM


Re: Final exam questions
No one here was trying to control what should or should not be taught at these institutions. Some well-meant suggestions were made, and a kind invitation by RAZD that their students could come and debate here if they wanted. For the rest, I would say, most participants are probably just ROFLing on this kind of "education"...
wrong. You have public guests at this site, when they read your comments, it influences thier thinking concerning those matters. A counterfactual presentation is required
So what is the difference in DEBATING "real science" here, verses the public arena? I thought thry could not be conjoined with debate or public opinion
Dawn Bertot
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Message 66 of 107 (589455)
11-02-2010 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Taq
11-02-2010 12:00 PM


Re: What, judges cant be idiots like yourselves?
So what ID research are you going to discuss? Can you please reference the peer reviewed papers from scientific journals that we will be discussing?
Observation, investigation, experimentation, conclusions, predictions, shalll i go on?
Ive demonstrated that Id follows all the same rules as does you S&M.
Since I am clueless, tell me what other test I need to conducted that have not already been demonstrated to constitute it as a scinentific investigation
List them one, two, three
Ill be waiting
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 67 of 107 (589456)
11-02-2010 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by subbie
11-02-2010 5:04 PM


Re: TOPIC PLEASE
This is not another general creationism topic for Bertot to display his ignorance and everyone to pile on. Could we please limit discussion to the actual topic?
Thank you.
Ok, so how do thier requirements, prevent thier qualifications from being science or ligitimate
Dawn Bertot
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Message 77 of 107 (589481)
11-02-2010 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Taq
11-02-2010 5:39 PM


Re: What, judges cant be idiots like yourselves?
Keep going until you get to the part that contains authors, name of journal, title of paper, volume, number, pages.
Well, clearly you are not able to defend your position on your own, you need these writers and authors to help you, so ill follow you down your bunny trail.
tell me out of the authors, journals, papers, volumes, etc, what i am missing, what types of tests and experimentation do i need to conduct, that is NOT already described in the research, by Id i desribed in that other post
IOWs could you explain why the DETAILS of thier research, establish any better the general principles of evidence concerning evolution verses design
Dawn Bertot

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