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Author Topic:   Do fossils disprove evolution?
Taz
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Message 17 of 121 (521568)
08-27-2009 11:23 PM
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08-26-2009 4:46 AM


This is not a snipe, I swear. I simply want to use an example that is almost completely parallel to biological. Consider the evolution of language. We know that all Romance languages (Spanish, French, Italian, etc.) all evolved from Latin. Now, look at your post.
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Why is there hardly any evidence in the fossil record of the millions & millions of complex organism with failed mutations?
Evolution brings order out of chaos, the chaos must leave behind some "mess" surely? - this "mess" being millions of recorded failed mutations within the fossil record.
Can the lack of evidence prove evolution is not a driving force in life as we see today?
An analogy of this is leaving a group of monkeys in a room with a typewriter to produce a perfect copy of Shakespeare's Hamlet through random keystrokes. You return years later and find a copy of Hamlet, but in a mess of loads of meaningless paper.
Why does the fossil record show little/no evidence of the millions of failed mutation which must have occurred for every successful one?
  —cpthiltz
And let me rephrase your words to reflect the evolution of language.
Why is there hardly any evidence in history of the millions & millions of complex languages with failed changes?
Evolution of language brings order out of chaos, the chaos must leave behind some "mess" surely? - this "mess" being millions of recorded failed changes within the history book.
Can the lack of evidence prove evolution of language is not a driving force in spoken languages as we see today?
An analogy of this is leaving a group of monkeys in a room with a typewriter to produce a perfect copy of Shakespeare's Hamlet through random keystrokes. You return years later and find a copy of Hamlet, but in a mess of loads of meaningless paper.
Why does history record show little/no evidence of the millions of failed changes at new languages which must have occurred for every successful one?
Then of course I'm writing this hoping that you at least have the most basic understanding of evolution of language which, unlike biological evolution, is very observable. If you have the most rudimentary understanding of how modern languages came about, hopefully you will see the ridiculousness of your original post.

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Taz
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Message 93 of 121 (526291)
09-26-2009 3:34 PM
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09-26-2009 3:22 PM


Re: Observed instances of speciation
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Taz
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Message 95 of 121 (526293)
09-26-2009 3:43 PM
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Re: Observed instances of speciation
ICDESIGN writes:
Any animal that breeds with another is of the same kind. I don't care what you and your like minded buddies claim.
and message 91 is for you too.
There are currently about 1.4 million species studied by man. Just beetles alone there are about 300 thousand known species of beetles. And it is estimated that the actual number of species that exist out there is as high as 30 million. But let's assume that there are only 1.4 million species in the world. Did Noah really care for 2+ million animal for a whole year in an enclosed boat?

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Message 96 of 121 (526294)
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Message 99 of 121 (526298)
09-26-2009 4:14 PM
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