9/11: 8 10th anniversary

From Dronester's Message 25, Shoes for Journalists thread

Hi Hyro,You seem to be in a non-listening/non-comprehension mode. Just to support Oni's and Rhavin's words:1. The "official" term is not "backlash," but rather "blowback.""Blowback is the espionage term for the violent, unintended consequences of a covert operation that are suffered by the civil population of the aggressor government."Blowback - Wikipedia(intelligenceOne example is when America fully supported the violent radical group Mujahadeen, which spawned Osama bin Laden, which then, of course, attacked the USA.2. After 9/11, the profoundly misinformed and apathetic American public meekly asked "why did the terrorists do such an act". The Bush jr. administration replied vapidly "because the terrorists hate our freedoms". 90% of uninformed Americans believed this childish explanation from the immoral simpleton in office.However, Bin Laden himself said the three ACTUAL reasons for 9/11 was:a. US military bases in Saudi Arabia that despoiled the holy land.
b. US support of Israel human rights violations against Palestinians that cause repression, torture and death.
c. The US supported sanctions against Iraq that murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children in the 1990s.Like Bush jr., you need not invent reasons for 9/11, we know the reasons straight from Bin Laden's mouth.

Alas, the apple does not fall far from the tree.With hundreds of military bases around the world, the sun never sets on the Amerikan empire.Edited by dronester, : clarity

Hi Percy,1. I am not advocating EVERYTHING that EVERYONE says.2. In this specific case, Bin Laden's utterances AND actions are entirely consistent.3. Do I detect you think there is another reason for 9/11 besides Bush's and Bin Laden's utterrances? If yes, please explain.

Hmmm. Interesting.To the roughly 25% of Americans who repeatedly voted Bush jr. into office and who believe America should conquer the world through military conquest, you may be right.For what it's worth, I am not part of that culture minority.ABE, I should add, about 25% vote republican, about 25% vote Democrat, and 50% don't vote at all. Ultimately, perhaps our culture is most accurately protrayed as apathetic.Edited by dronester, : clarity

Hi Percy, Hmmm.To be clear, there are Israel soldiers who REFUSE to perform atrocities, oppression, torture, murder against Palestinian women and children. They often risk great consequences, including harsh prison sentences, to themselves. To those brave, moral, and courageous men and women, I give my highest acknowledgements. They are true heroes and I wish the world had more of them!How is that anti-Israel?There is another on-going Coffee House thread: Israel-Palestine: The One State Solution. I think Razd did an excellent job of summing up the middle east conflict. I encourage you to participate if you still find my or Razd's stance "anti-Israel".

I think you have vastly over-estimated my Amazing Kreskin abilities to decipher cryptic yet "illustrative" messages, even with smileys.Now, about that crack about me being fanatically anti-BBC . . .

Hey Dr A, I understand your emotional response. However, your sentiment SEEMS to wave away America's responsibility to how al-queda became a world terrorist organization. To repeat history once again, the US gave EXTENSIVE training and military aid to the extremely violent fanatical group Mujahideen to supposedly oust the Soviet empire from Afghanistan. From this group spawned Osama Bin Laden and the eventual blowback of 9/11. Thus, American's SHOULD be ashamed that they nourished an extremely violent terrorist group that not only caused 9/11, but also repeated atrocities in Afghanistan.Let me attempt to parallel this point with this example:If a parent trains a child from birth to become a fanatical/radical murdering sociopath, should not the parents ultimately experience guilt when this child does murder? Should the parent be "humbled" for its failed parenting? I would think a profound sense of remorse toward the child AND society for not teaching/instilling human values in the child SHOULD be present. (That is, UNLESS you are from a truly wacked family: I remember the quote from Jeffrey Dalmer's father: "they [the media] are trying to make my son into some kind of a monster". Wow, how's that for denial?)Thus, do you think your sentiment above is also exhibiting a similar form of denial in distancing America's responsibility to its "child" and society? Or am I wacked?(I feel obliged to bring this up because everytime we omit America's RESPONSIBILITY to Bin Laden's victims, Saddam Hussien's victims, Pol Pot's victims, Baby Doc Duvalier's victims, Benjamin Netanyahu's victims, Suharto's victims, Pinochet's victims, Noriega's victims, etc, etc, etc., we don't learn lessons that need to change American foreign policy in the future.)