You see Granny, this question which has been repeated ad infinitum by you and your cohorts is a perfect example of your blatant dishonesty and disingenuous debating style. It also reveals your sides cockiness and sanctimonious belief that you can con us by insisting that I answer a question you know cannot be answered from any source on the web since you have done the required searches yourself and know it has been erased from the on line journals, so the info no longer exists on the net.
It's not our fault you can't support your claims. If you made a claim you couldn't support, then shame on you. Stop getting shitty with everyone else because you can't show the deliberate deception that you alleged in the examples you gave.
Who committed fraud? How? In exactly what way were they dishonest? Put up or shut up. This grows tedious.
There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
Still blaming everyone else for your problems eh? Classy.
You see Granny, this question which has been repeated ad infinitum by you and your cohorts...
I have cohorts! Great! I've always wanted cohorts! Next I'm gonna get me some goons. Cohorts are all very well but they don't have the personal touch you only get with hired goons...
...is a perfect example of your blatant dishonesty and disingenuous debating style.
Thanks. Right back atcha big fella.
It also reveals your sides cockiness and sanctimonious belief that you can con us by insisting that I answer a question you know cannot be answered from any source on the web since you have done the required searches yourself...
Actually I haven't. I really haven't. I'm just going on a hunch.
...it has been erased from the on line journals, so the info no longer exists on the net. Which just confirms the power of this cult.
I'm a cultist too now? Great! First the cultist cohorts, then the goons, then... henchmen.
Remember, tinfoil hat shiny-side-out.
Of course I posted the excuses T.O. offers regarding Orce Man, and am still told that I must defend that evidence of evolutions refusal to actually admit the misrepresentation you all have admitted to right here on this thread since you're demanding evidence that evo supported it as valid.
In all seriousness Angel, I'm only asking that you back up your claims. I think I've been pretty patient with you in doing so. Never mind though, since I think I have my answers;
Do you have any evidence that Orce Man is cited as prima facie evidence for evolution?
No you don't.
Do you have any evidence that Orce Man was a deliberate fraud?
No you don't.
Because everybody else is out to get you. Apparently.
Any time you want to actually substantiate your claims kid, I'll be here. Until then, you are welcome to continue your descent into conspiracy theory lunacy. Keep it up. You are doing a far better job of making creationism look stupid than I ever could.
Mutate and Survive
"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod
If you would have presented empirical evidence you would possibly have fared better.
Bull pucky! I fared just fine even though I was outnumbered at better than 10 to 1. And here's my empirical evidence of that!
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But tell me, what empirical evidence did any of you present? Absolutely none. All you ever offer are subjective interpretations of observations which are based on massive assumptions founded in preconceived conclusions which is all that your pseudo science is based upon. So don't be claiming any undeserved victories here my lost and deluded friend. Especially since all you did was sit back and heckle throughout this fiasco, as most of your buddies did.
What you gave us was belief unsupported by empirical evidence.
What I gave you were dozens of questions based on deductive reasoning which not one of you could answer so you resorted to the tactic of claiming I didn't support my arguments with empirical evidence. The fact is Coyote, I made no claims at all regarding how life began other than stating my beliefs in passing. What I did was ask you to prove the basic foundation upon which evolution is founded. And that request alone has brought the lot of you down on me in your irrational tirades, rants and personal attacks on me since you are completely incapable of defending that which you claim is a legitimate science.
And WHY IS THAT? Because you know you can't answer any of the challenges I put to the philosophical cowards that evolutionists, secular humanists and atheists are.
And belief without belief is simply empty.
Is this statement supposed to make sense in the real world regarding anything I have said? Because it only makes sense to me in context of what you claim to be factually true regarding the cult of your religion.
You see Granny, this question which has been repeated ad infinitum by you and your cohorts is a perfect example of your blatant dishonesty and disingenuous debating style. It also reveals your sides cockiness and sanctimonious belief that you can con us by insisting that I answer a question you know cannot be answered from any source on the web since you have done the required searches yourself and know it has been erased from the on line journals, so the info no longer exists on the net. Which just confirms the power of this cult.
Well, you've very nearly figured out our little secret, so I guess it's only fair to tell you the rest.
Yes, we control the internet. It's a big job, but someone has to do it.
But you have erred in your guess at what we do with this power. What we actually do ... promise you won't tell anyone? ... is we use it to delete all the good creationist arguments, leaving only the ones that are palpable nonsense. By these subtle means, we hope to give everyone the impression that creationists are a bunch of ding-dongs.
And that is why all the creationist arguments on the internet are unsupported by the evidence. It's not that we remove all the evidence supporting creationist arguments --- instead, we remove all the creationist arguments supported by evidence, leaving only the creationist arguments that are blithering nonsense. Cunning, eh?
So, for example, the only reason our all-powerful cabal allowed you to read the gibberish you quoted in your OP was that it's clearly garbage of the rankest and most stinky variety. You will never get to see any of the good creationist arguments, because the only surviving copies of these are kept in a secure vault at World Evolutionist Headquarters. (I'm not allowed to tell you where that is, let's just say it's an underwater volcano in an "undisclosed location".)
Of course, sometimes some smartass creationist will persist in posting a valid argument even after we've deleted it a few times. Then we have to send goons round to his house to have him whacked. Fortunately we have lots of goons. Evolutionism is a big cult, and, as you know, we're all thoroughly wicked, and always up for a bit of murder if that'll conceal The Truth. Or, indeed, just for the heck of it.
Don't worry, though --- I think we can guarantee your safety. You are presenting exactly the image of creationism that we wish the world to see.
Well, I must go now. I have truths to suppress, goats to sacrifice, and the paperwork just keeps on piling up. I've asked and asked for more minions, but sometimes I think the Budget Department are even more steeped in evil than the rest of us put together.
I would like to thank Archangel for opening and maintaining a thoughtfull, spirited and enlightening thread and for diplaying his/her patience with grace, humility and humor. I would also like to thank him/her for the well sculpted reasoning of his/her arguments and the intellectually stimulating responses given to every critique.
But I can do neither.
I think this thread has run it's course. Time to lurk elsewhere.
Oh great, the evil-utionist ninjas.... last time they came around they left my house in a mess, littering it with "fossils" and Budweiser bottles. Not to mention that Dawkins guy who spent most of the evening barking like a dog and going on and on about "memes".
Paranoid delusion can be fun.
(PS hiya Granny Magda. Glad to see you still so fervently fighting for the cause of truth and reason over superstition!)
The sad thing about this thread is that Archangel's behaviour is not unusual. I've seen it before in other creationists. The scam is to post something contentious, brag and be rude to everyone, ignore any posts that address the topic in a reasoned or polite fashion and reply only to the jokes, snipes and put-downs.
That way, the creo can go "See? They're picking on me! The evil-utionists are mean! Thus, I declare creation true, this debate over and myself the winner."
Now, to you and me, that may seem like a poor substitute for reasoned debate...
It's not so much the topic dying, as a pet topic being put down. It's a tired old topic, it's in pain and suffering, it doesn't so much live as twitch occasionally and whine ... it's kindest that it should die.
Hello Archangel! Glad to see you are still posting.
Do you consider yourself an honest person?
If you do, how can you post things like this:
Bull pucky! I fared just fine even though I was outnumbered at better than 10 to 1. And here's my empirical evidence of that! ..... But tell me, what empirical evidence did any of you present? Absolutely none. All you ever offer are subjective interpretations of observations which are based on massive assumptions founded in preconceived conclusions which is all that your pseudo science is based upon. So don't be claiming any undeserved victories here my lost and deluded friend. Especially since all you did was sit back and heckle throughout this fiasco, as most of your buddies did.
You realize that this thread will be viewable for a very long time. You can come back here years later and review it. You realize God can see in your heart and in this thread.
You have been presented with massive amounts of rebuttals containing all sorts of honest evidence, yet you continue to assert the opposite. I again beg you to look over this and be truely honest with yourself. Answer those rebuttals, post your definitions of science and evolution
I know that some members have treated you somewhat harshly, but you must understand that there are probably dozens of identical topics like this one on this forum and elsewhere. These members have become jaded and callous to your arguements because they have heard every claim you have made, rebutted them only to have the participant do exactly what you have done. Sometimes when I am bored, I go through and look at some of the older topics to see what kind of stuff was discussed there.I have tried not to do this to you. I am fairly new to discussions/debates like this one, but i am quickly realizing what the more experienced members have already learned.
If you feel you are being outnumbered, it is possible to have this discussion with only 1 or 2 people to respond to. I would really like to see you stick around
One last thing: Is your posting here on EVC in any way related to a class you may be taking?