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Author Topic:   INTELLIGENT DESIGN: An Engineer’s Approach
fallacycop
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Message 33 of 302 (369834)
12-14-2006 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by NOT JULIUS
12-14-2006 3:50 PM


Re: Potentially dumb arguments against ID
I agree its a dumb argument against ID. Its a variant of this: The less complex a thing is the MORE is the need for a designer; the more complex it is the LEAST is the need for a designer.
Complexity is an argument against ID, not in favor of it.
For instance, I look at a simple object like the egyptian piramids and think imidiatly about design. But when I look at a complex object like a mountain, I think Natural ocurrence. This example shows that the presence of complexity doesn`t necessarily correlate with the fact of something having been designed.

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fallacycop
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Message 60 of 302 (370165)
12-16-2006 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by NOT JULIUS
12-15-2006 5:36 PM


Re: Potentially dumb arguments for ID
I guess we just differ on how we look at things? If I see a pyramid, I know it was made by someone; if I see a mountain--more complex than a pyramid--I know someone w/ greater intelligence than the maker of the pyramid made it
I agree that we differ on how we see things. I think you should refrain from using the word "know" when talking about the "someone w/ greater intelligence" and use the word "believe" instead.
Many scientists are actually protesting Darwinism--which if I understand correctly was expounded by Dawkins; who in turn influenced many to think that because the universe is such a complex system no one made it; that that very rare chance (more than 1:1Trillion) hapenned. To me and to many scientist this is pure unadulterated crap. Stuff for fantasy movies.
Could you name some of this scientists and what would be their rational for protesting darwinism and declaring it a pure unadutarated crap?

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fallacycop
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Message 198 of 302 (372237)
12-25-2006 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by cavediver
12-25-2006 8:48 PM


Re: Speaking as a Christian, what is wrong with Dawkins quote?
I have to agree. Ignorance is always taken as some kind of insult, rather than our natural state about any particular topic. I am immensely ignorant concerning most things. Most people are immensely ignorant concerning evolution. It is no insult.
I think some people take it as an insult because they are also ignorant concerning the meaning of the word "ignorant".

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fallacycop
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Message 201 of 302 (372243)
12-26-2006 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by johnfolton
12-26-2006 12:22 AM


Re: Speaking as a Christian, what is wrong with Dawkins quote?
Since you (Or anybody else that I`m aware of in these fora) have not presented a workable definition of what macro/micro-evolution is (and the difference between them), your post might as well haVe been written like this:
Since the creationists and the IDers agree that QUACK-QUACK (natural selection) trumps QUACK-QUACK they are not ignorant of evolution. They are not willfully ignorant of the evidence of evolution but simply following where the evidence leads.

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