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Message 241 of 258 (765509)
07-30-2015 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by ringo
07-29-2015 3:34 PM


ringo writes:

That's what I would suggest. Then we can make up our own math.

That's actually a cool idea.

Sure, the board-administrator gets to set stuff up... but why not give some of that control to the user, as well? Especially for something like a rating system.

Simple: The user could choose to not display any rating system while they are logged into their profile.

Complex: The user could choose to have the rating system display something meaningful to them, regardless as to what rating system the administrator has incorporated. User wants to show likes as a positive? Okay. User wants to show a reverse rating? (a 1.2 would display for them as an 8.8). Sure. I know some of the against-evolution posters used the rating system like that anyway...

It's just rating-system. Maybe it should be user-controlled as opposed to administrator-controlled. Kind of like whether or not you want to display other people's signature lines when reading the posts.


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Message 242 of 258 (767901)
09-03-2015 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by New Cat's Eye
07-24-2015 8:49 PM


I finally found some time to complete my investigation into the problem where Larni had a 10.0 rating. I did find a couple minor bugs that didn't affect our board given how it's configured, but there were no bugs affecting Larni's rating and he did actually have a 10.0 rating. As you surmised, it was due to his first message in the It's a boy. thread back at the end of April. Votes have a 3 month horizon, so his rating has since declined.

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Message 243 of 258 (767939)
09-03-2015 7:24 PM
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09-03-2015 10:34 AM


but there were no bugs affecting Larni's rating and he did actually have a 10.0 rating. As you surmised, it was due to his first message in the It's a boy. thread back at the end of April. Votes have a 3 month horizon, so his rating has since declined.

I still don't like the equation. And not because of the length of the 10.0 rating.

It's that if I see a fairly aged message that I'd like to Cheer, and it doesn't have any Cheers yet, and the member's rating is above 1.0, then giving them that Cheer will actually lower their rating. 'Cause that would be one more rating to divide by and it'd only be providing one point.

If a person has no history, and one post get zero cheers, then another post gets two cheers, and then their third posts gets two cheers, their rating would be (2+2)/2 = 2.0

If I then go and cheer their first post, then their rating become (2+2+1)/3 = 1.7

I don't want to lower their rating, so that's a disincentive for me to use the system. That's not good functionality.

I'm sorry I don't have any constructive criticism at the time, but the equation does need to be improved if you want desired functionality.

That's still part of your ultimate goal, right?

You really do have the best forum software I've ever used on the net (that's a big reason that I've stayed here - you spoiled me). I'm assuming you may still be considering marketing it?


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Message 244 of 258 (768038)
09-05-2015 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by New Cat's Eye
09-03-2015 7:24 PM


Yes, I do want to improve the rating system, but my available time is short right now. It wasn't supposed to be this way. I'm supposed to be programming full time, but my time is instead going toward a couple unexpectedly large and ongoing tasks and an ongoing family emergency, so my programming time has been minimal.

But I can make minor changes like changing the denominator. What do people think of making the denominator the total number of messages in the last n days? It would solve the problem you describe.


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Message 245 of 258 (768055)
09-05-2015 12:09 PM
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09-05-2015 8:38 AM


Admin writes:

What do people think of making the denominator the total number of messages in the last n days?


I don't care what somebody's rating is in an n-day period. I'm only interested in n = forever.
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Message 246 of 258 (768057)
09-05-2015 12:41 PM
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09-05-2015 12:09 PM


I don't care what somebody's rating is in an n-day period. I'm only interested in n = forever.

I agree! As long as I keep my 10.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Message 247 of 258 (768060)
09-05-2015 12:53 PM
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09-05-2015 12:41 PM


Tanypteryx writes:

I agree! As long as I keep my 10.

In that case you should be really happy now.

--Percy


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Message 248 of 258 (768061)
09-05-2015 1:12 PM
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09-05-2015 12:53 PM


In that case you should be really happy now.

Swooning........I earned every zero!


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Message 249 of 258 (768062)
09-05-2015 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by Tanypteryx
09-05-2015 1:12 PM


Well said.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 250 of 258 (768063)
09-05-2015 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Tanypteryx
09-05-2015 12:41 PM


Tanypteryx writes:

As long as I keep my 10.


I'm just trying to stay ahead of Faith.
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Message 251 of 258 (768064)
09-05-2015 1:22 PM


There probably should be a rating for how many messages you have rated (cheered).

Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


    
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Message 252 of 258 (768072)
09-05-2015 6:48 PM


I figure that as comprehensive a feature-rich set of code as Percy has created here there most probably is a Forum Owner's option to turn off member rating altogether. I think maybe, in the interest of checking out that portion of the module Percy should turn off the member rating just to see if it really works as he expects. I should think, just to be thorough in this test, he should leave it off for, say, 5 years.
  
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Message 253 of 258 (768073)
09-05-2015 7:52 PM


We need some sort of link(s) to the cheered messages
It would be nice if clicking on a members rating would give a list of the cheered messages, with the number of cheers. That would be a guide to "best messages" ("popular messages", and maybe even POTM type messages).

Moose

ABE: For mysterious reasons, my rating has gone from about 6.3 yesterday, to 8.5 at the moment. Apparently it's because of what the even higher rated members have done, rather than what I have done.

BTW, you can see the member list sorted by rating at http://www.evcforum.net/MemberList.php?control=rting

ABE2: Now Tanypteryx has posted a new message that has received (2+), which has dropped me to 8.1.

Edited by Minnemooseus, : ABE

Edited by Minnemooseus, : ABE2.


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Message 254 of 258 (768078)
09-05-2015 9:06 PM
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09-05-2015 7:52 PM


Re: We need some sort of link(s) to the cheered messages
In Message 244 I asked what people thought of changing the denominator to be the total number of messages (instead of the total with one or more votes), and when there were no objections I made the change earlier this afternoon.

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Message 255 of 258 (768212)
09-09-2015 11:18 AM
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09-05-2015 9:06 PM


Re: messages
Our Supreme Leader writes:

In Message 244 I asked what people thought of changing the denominator to be the total number of messages (instead of the total with one or more votes), and when there were no objections I made the change earlier this afternoon.

(Putting on my Atticus Finch face in the courtroom asking Sheriff Tate right or left side as you look at me or as I look at you):

"Now is that the total career messages or total messages over the last 30 days or some other n?"


- xongsmith, 5.7d

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