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Hyroglyphx
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Message 62 of 119 (529411)
10-09-2009 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by dronestar
10-08-2009 4:26 PM


Re: OMG! Obama said the sky would be blue!!!1!
He never said his plan was to escalate the war in an effort to specifically kill civilians. His plan was supposedly different than Bush Jr's because "His" plan would be "effective" in eventually ending the Afghan war
Jazzns is right. He specifically stated during the presidential campaign that he would consolidate US forces in to Afghanistan and stop the Iraq War. He has placed more troops in Afghanistan, but the Iraq War still marches on.
More to the point, he bombed Pakistan which is grounds for war. If Bush did anything like that he'd have been condemned up and down, but when Obama does it for some reason it's cool.
Democrats and Republicans are just different sides of the same coin... They're still the same coin that I for one want nothing to do with.
"Change we can believe in?" Sounds like more of the same.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 65 of 119 (529437)
10-09-2009 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by jacortina
10-09-2009 9:58 AM


Re: OMG! Obama said the sky would be blue!!!1!
You're missing the point entirely. Bush is a despised as a "war president," which is fine. He has hundreds of protests during his tenure, but not a peep for Obama who has taken up his mantle.
Obama promised he'd stop the Iraq War through campaign platitudes. Hasn't happened. He's increased the troops to Afghanistan and bombs coalition allies.
Why then is it morally acceptable when Obama does it, but not Bush? Just so you know, I don't like Bush or Obama. I defend neither of them.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 108 of 119 (531879)
10-20-2009 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by onifre
10-17-2009 2:28 PM


Re: US supported the Taliban
But sadly, they are this way (and were this way) before, during and after US support. The weapons that they are using to hurt the people of Afghanistan were sold to them by the US. They exist due to our support.
Well, yes and no. The US definitely gave weaponry to the Afghan resitance, like US made Stinger missiles. The US was so eager for retribution for they fought with Russia by proxy in Vietnam that they jumped at the chance. It worked then, but now we see the consequences of that decision. The Afghans destroyed the Russians. When they did, they basically jacked the Russians weapons and have been using them ever since against coalition forces.
And the US knew what type of group they were but at the time they were beneficial.
No, not really. After the Russians left, there were civil wars because of competing ideologies. The most prominent were the Northern Alliance and the Taliban.
Well you can't have it both ways. You can't support a monster, supply it weapons and then question why they are commit horrific acts on their own people.
That logic fails because things change, and no one had the luxury of foresight back then since hindsight is 20/20. That would be like never forgiving the Germans or Japanese because they were a monster then. Things change.
While the US backed them and supplied them weapons, they were doing the same thing to the citizens of Afghanistan. The US turned a blind eye to them torturing citizens because we were using the Taliban and Al Qaeda to fight the Soviets.
There is plenty of suffering the US and all nations turn a blind eye to because intervention is tricky business. You have to prioritize because if either way you play it, you call it a humanitarian mission and they'll accuse you of interventionism, you do nothing they'll accuse of isolationism.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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