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Author Topic:   The Flood, fossils, & the geologic evidence
rueh
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Message 369 of 377 (635976)
10-03-2011 2:17 PM


bottlenecks
In many posts throughout this forum it has been suggested that if the Noachian flood was worldwide we should see genetic bottlenecks in all the species worldwide. It has also been suggested that the flood presented in Genesis represents a local flood, so therefore the lack of a bottleneck present in all species does not falsify the idea of a local flood. My question is would a local flood also leave a genetic marker of a bottleneck for the species within the locally defined area? If so, is this what we actually see when we compare the genetic signatures of animals indigenous to the area? Obviously I think we would have to consider just how local of a flood we are talking about. What is our minimum threshold where we should see some sort of marker contained within various species genetics?

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The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX
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rueh
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Message 371 of 377 (635979)
10-03-2011 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 370 by jar
10-03-2011 2:24 PM


Re: bottlenecks
Makes sense, after all as soon as one rabbit gets eaten then it is goodbye for all the rabbits in that area. The same would be true for any prey species. Once all the prey is gone then it is goodbye for the predators as well. Is there any way to analyze if this is in fact the case from a genetic stand point? Is there any animal species that are exclusive to the area where a local flood could have occurred? If so, then is there any way to tell if they were there pre-flood? Or if they were transplants from post flood populations? Simply moving in to populate an uninhabited area.
Edited by rueh, : spelling

'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX
Opening your mind to imagination shouldn't close it to reality.
It takes all kinds to make a mess- Benjamin Hoff

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rueh
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Message 374 of 377 (636130)
10-04-2011 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 372 by hooah212002
10-03-2011 4:20 PM


Re: bottlenecks
hooah writes:
Wouldn't these be the types of experiments we should expect from proponents of the flood?
What? Why in the world would they need to conduct any experiments? They already know what the answer is gonna be.

'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX
Opening your mind to imagination shouldn't close it to reality.
It takes all kinds to make a mess- Benjamin Hoff

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rueh
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Message 376 of 377 (636158)
10-04-2011 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 373 by jar
10-03-2011 5:53 PM


Re: bottlenecks
Jar writes:
The issue is even if such evidence could be found that would not support the accounts in the stories.
Maybe not but I have always thought that a story grows in the telling. It would be neat to see if a regional flood for the appropriate time could be confirmed though. Something like the black sea deluge.

'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX
Opening your mind to imagination shouldn't close it to reality.
It takes all kinds to make a mess- Benjamin Hoff

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