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Author Topic:   Do the religious want scientific enquiry to end?
Jazzns
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Message 26 of 111 (529183)
10-08-2009 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by slevesque
10-08-2009 2:15 PM


Umm..No!
Scientific inquiry originated with the Ionians and subsequently the Greeks. It was entirely pagan and co-opted by societies that were religious because ... well ... it works.
Just because you can "frame" science in a Christian worldview (exploring God's mind) does not mean it was the fruit of the Christian worldview. In fact Christianity has done far more to hamstring science then it has to develop it.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson

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Jazzns
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Message 30 of 111 (529191)
10-08-2009 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by slevesque
10-08-2009 3:03 PM


Re: Umm..No!
I would participate in a thread on that topic.
The scientific process is most certainly pre-Christian. You obviously moved the goal posts a little bit by saying "modern science as we know it" which can mean just about anything you want it to. Please take that in mind when you start your topic.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson

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Jazzns
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Message 37 of 111 (529209)
10-08-2009 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by slevesque
10-08-2009 3:53 PM


An intelligent christian that rejects the ToE won't reject the science behind it, he will reject the assumptions and the interpretations behind it.
The problem I have seen is what they call "assumptions" are not. For example, it is common for young earthers to claim that radioactive decay rates are "assumptions" when in fact they are not. We can not only measure them directly we can measure them in the past by looking at supernovae and the effects that decay has had on its surroundings.
Rejecting interpretation is merely theory denial. They deny that it is even possible to construct a predictive and explanatory framework. I don't know what could possibly be more anti-scientific than this.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson

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Jazzns
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Message 42 of 111 (529222)
10-08-2009 4:45 PM
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10-08-2009 4:36 PM


Did you seriously not read my reply to you where I busted this assumption nonsense USING an example of radioactive decay rates?
FYI, we CAN in fact measure decay rates in the past. We can also test the hypothesis that they were faster in the past which we do every day. If you are able to breath air, think, live, and type to me on this computer, then decay rates were not higher in the past.
Their assumptions are NOT assumptions. They would like them to be, but they are not.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson

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