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Author Topic:   Do the religious want scientific enquiry to end?
Dr Adequate
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Message 82 of 111 (575220)
08-19-2010 5:04 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by archaeologist
08-19-2010 4:23 AM


saying there must be this, or there must be that is NOT evidence nor a discovery but wishful thinking.
Just as saying that if someone had fed my body through a woodchipper I wouldn't still be alive is "NOT evidence nor a discovery but wishful thinking".
Y'know, archaeologist, when you have to abolish the scientific method in order to cling to your delusions, that's a sign that you're wrong.
you cannot prove a bottleneck for civilization started with 8 people and there is NO evidence prior to that time that would produce the graph you want.
I bet if that was coherent it would be untrue.
the scant amount of old bodies/skeletons we do find will not be sufficient for such a study. thus your call for genetical bottlenecks is unrealistic.
Perhaps you should try to find out how genetic bottlenecks are actually identified. Here's a hint: it has nothing to do with "old bodies/skeletons" and a lot more to do with equilibrium heterozygosity.
Now i am thinking of the pakistani flood that has taken place recently. this is a good example of why Noah's flood was global and did take place. NO ONE puts a destructive local flood into their identity, religious works, or makes it a life changing event.
Excuse me, have you ever looked at the immense amount of trivia that is included in your own holy book?
There's a whole book of the Bible about some guy suffering from painful boils. One's heart goes out to him, but surely there have been more significant historical events.
Noah's flood is real and those who claim otherwise are just deceiving themselves.
And yet in the course of your brief but entertaining stay on these forums it is you who have tended to be hopelessly, ridiculously wrong about pretty much everything.
By the way, are you ever going to produce that evidence that ancient Minoans had microscopes?
So I think the possibility that you are deceiving yourself is markedly more likely.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 85 of 111 (575228)
08-19-2010 6:40 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by archaeologist
08-19-2010 5:47 AM


you still need genetic material to find it and based upon more asusmption. this area of genetics looks like it is designed to omit the truth as well. i doubt you could find evidence of 8 people who lived in an area that was later populated by thousands.
in other words your supposed bottleneck is lost amidst the crowd and you come to false conclusions based upon faulty research and data.
If you know what you meant by that crazy jumble of words, would you mind explaining it to the rest of us?
I think that you are still making stupid and inaccurate guesses as to how scientists detect a genetic bottleneck; but the incoherence of your thoughts is obscured by the incoherence of your mode of expression.
not abolishing the 'scientific method'
Yes. You are trying to discount failed predictions as evidence against a hypothesis.
{by the way, how many millions of predictions for the evolutionary theory have been hidden away because they were wrong?}
Like you, I can't think of a single one.
the bolded words prove my point---assumptions. plus ideals and ignoring reality.
Your point and its relevance are cryptic and obscure.
Perhaps I should explain to you that finding out what would happen if "if the population is very large and random mating is taking place" is not the same as assuming that this is always the case.
But if that was the sort of thing you were capable of understanding, you wouldn't post such a large quantity of garbage.
very difficult to prove, when all the grandchildren of noah and then his sons only had each other to marry. then babel took place and a great migration happened throwing off all modern scientific ideas, theories, equations.
You do not explain how if "all the grandchildren of noah and then his sons only had each other to marry" this would "throw off" all modern scientific ideas.
But if you know what crazy ideas are fulminating in your brain, perhaps you would explain it to the rest of us?
Back in the real world, the population bottleneck is exactly the sort of thing one could detect by genetic analysis --- if it had taken place.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 89 of 111 (575240)
08-19-2010 7:35 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by archaeologist
08-19-2010 7:01 AM


yes go to the distortion and the false accusation personal attack when shown your theory is too limited to prove what you want.
the assumptions doom that process.
Again, one supposes that that was intended to mean something. I gather that you believe that you have "shown" something other than ignorance and petulance.
But despite my requests you are apparently unable or unwilling to say what.

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