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Hyroglyphx
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Message 31 of 57 (529553)
10-09-2009 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by onifre
10-09-2009 5:40 PM


Re: What?!
I just heard on the news that Kanye West interrupted the Nobel ceremony to claim that he deserved the peace prize!

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Buzsaw
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Message 32 of 57 (529614)
10-09-2009 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by CosmicChimp
10-09-2009 8:27 AM


CosmicChimp writes:
I'm looking to future actions on his part to show he has earned the Nobel. Go for it Obama!
Too late to make any sense. Somebody wrote some politically correct speeches which tickled the ears of the leftist Norwegian Nobel committee for Obama to read and he read them to the world on the teleprompter.
The earning needed to be done before the awarding to make any sense.
Rush made an interesting point today, that one motivating factor for the leftist committee to pick Obama was to coerce him into avoiding the use of force in the war on terror. This award will likely motivate him to avoid anthing but peaceful negotiation in dealing with the Taliban and Nations who want to destroy Israel and the US.

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Buzsaw
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Message 33 of 57 (529616)
10-09-2009 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Izanagi
10-09-2009 9:00 AM


Re: Slow Year
Izanaqi writes:
I was quite surprised that he got the Nobel Peace Prize. I agree that he's a great guy and all, but he hasn't done much at this time to justify receiving it. Then again, maybe it was a slow year.
Nobody will know until 2059 when the other 200 or so nominations will be made public. Likely among the 200 or so there must have been a number who did a lot more than community organizing to earn the prize.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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CosmicChimp
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Message 34 of 57 (529726)
10-10-2009 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Buzsaw
10-09-2009 8:51 PM


Welcome back Buz,
Rush Limbaugh said that? His words could be true actually. In that case, it would seem to be a flexing of influential might on the part of the "leftist committee".
To a certain small extent, I even implied as much with my initial post. I sincerely do hope that Pres. Obama does follow non-combative policies.

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 35 of 57 (529941)
10-11-2009 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Taz
10-09-2009 4:29 PM


Re: Dreading the response....
Taz writes:
Haven't you heard the news that they actually honest to god produced a birth certificate that says Obama was born in Italy?
I think some ultra-religious nuts are in earnest trying to create from scratch an anti-christ themselves. It is the height of hypocricay and self-righteous stupidity. How someone can lie and fabricate a birth certificate to show that Obama was born in Kenya (or Italy) and try to pass it off as authentic while at the same saying that his birth certificate from Hawaii is a forgery (along with an announcement of his birth in the newspaper and several eyewitnesses to his birth besides his family) and then call himself a Christian and pious is beyond me.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 36 of 57 (529943)
10-11-2009 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
10-09-2009 9:03 PM


Re: Slow Year
Buzzsaw writes:
Nobody will know until 2059 when the other 200 or so nominations will be made public. Likely among the 200 or so there must have been a number who did a lot more than community organizing to earn the prize.
Actually that is only partially true. The Nobel Peace Prize committee cannot release the names for 50 years but the various entities that provided nominations are not barred from stating who they submitted for nomination for the Peace Prize.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

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Legend
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Message 37 of 57 (529946)
10-11-2009 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by cavediver
10-09-2009 11:18 AM


Re: Nobel Peace Prize?
Hyroglyphx writes:
Clearly this institution is run by bleeding-heart liberals
Cavediver writes:
But H, you do realise that when you use such language, the world outside the US looks at you and simply thinks - twat.
Why would the world outside the US think that? What's wrong with this language? Hyro's making a reasonable inference based on the Nobel commitee's actions in the last few years. Just because you don't agree with him doesn't make him a twat. If anything it makes you sound like one. Just thought I'd point that out.

"We must respect the law, not let it blind us away from the basic principles of fairness, justice and freedom"

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 57 (529948)
10-11-2009 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by DevilsAdvocate
10-11-2009 8:19 AM


Re: PP Nominations
DevilsAdvocate writes:
........the various entities that provided nominations are not barred from stating who they submitted for nomination for the Peace Prize.
Hi, DA. Thanks. I was wondering about that. It's nice to see you're still active here at EvC.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
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Message 39 of 57 (529949)
10-11-2009 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Legend
10-11-2009 8:31 AM


Re: Nobel Peace Prize?
I think the point is the use of the term bleeding heart liberal when pointed at Obama.

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DevilsAdvocate
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Posts: 1548
Joined: 06-05-2008


Message 40 of 57 (529951)
10-11-2009 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Buzsaw
10-11-2009 8:44 AM


Re: PP Nominations
Welcome back Buzz. Good to see you again. I am not as active as I used to be because of my workload. However, I enjoyed some of our previous prophetical discussions. Maybe we can back into them again.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Coyote
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Joined: 01-12-2008


Message 41 of 57 (529972)
10-11-2009 12:08 PM


Date for nominations
I read on another board that the cutoff date for nominations was about 11 days after Obama took the oath of office.
Can anyone confirm this?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Rahvin
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Message 42 of 57 (529975)
10-11-2009 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Coyote
10-11-2009 12:08 PM


Re: Date for nominations
I read on another board that the cutoff date for nominations was about 11 days after Obama took the oath of office.
Can anyone confirm this?
That's true.
However, it's important to remember that Obama existed before he was President - apparently the committee thought he at the very least seemed promising. He did vote against the Iraq war, and there may have been other actions they took into consideration.
And the decision still took almost a year, letting them base their decision on how he followed up his previous words and actions with the greater abilities of the President.
Remember, most analysis is saying that the Prize was awarded to give a boost to Obama's current efforts, not so much as a reward for past deeds. Over the intervening year Obama has successfully improved international relations with a variety of countries and has demonstrated a commitment to diplomacy over the idiotic policies of the past. He's made significant progress in scaling down the mounting tensions between the US and Russia by removing missile defense sites and negotiating nuclear disarmament - that's not insignificant, considering that US relations with Russia were heading back towards Cold War levels under Bush.
He's definitely not the most deserving person to ever win the Prize, but neither was it completely undeserved and random.

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Shield
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Message 43 of 57 (529991)
10-11-2009 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Rahvin
10-11-2009 12:43 PM


Re: Date for nominations
He did vote against the Iraq war
He did not have a chance to vote for that in 2003. He did, however, speak out publicly against it.
More on the topic: I dont know if he deserved it.. he is the president of the most war engaged country. The US is conducting more military operations throughout the world than any other country.

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caffeine
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Posts: 1800
From: Prague, Czech Republic
Joined: 10-22-2008


Message 44 of 57 (530133)
10-12-2009 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Hyroglyphx
10-09-2009 6:12 PM


Re: Nobels and Nukes
Aren't they bound by international treaty and armistice after WWII not to? Japan and Germany have been tied down for more than half a century due to their aspirations of world domination. Personally I think they've payed their debts to the world.
Japan is bound by it’s own constitution, Germany has no such constraints. Both are probably bound by international treaty not to build any nukes, but then the nuclear powers are bound not to design and buld a new generation too — this has no effect on their behavior.
Either way though, all the Japanese need to do if they wanted nukes is change the constitution — this isn’t a practical constraint on their ability to build nuclear weaponry. It’s not true, then, that every nation capable of maintaining a nuclear arsenal will do so. There isn’t enough public or political support for the Japanese, or the Germans, or the Australians (and so on) to build nukes, so they don’t.

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caffeine
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From: Prague, Czech Republic
Joined: 10-22-2008


Message 45 of 57 (530137)
10-12-2009 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Taz
10-09-2009 4:24 PM


Refused peace prizes
He's also a politician. If he refuses, the message the rest of the world will get is either "I'm too good for the nobel peace prize" or "the committee is stupid..." This is why nobody, and that's a big NOBODY, has ever refused a nobel peace prize. And likewise, nobody will ever refuse a nobel peace prize.
That's not true - several people have refused the Nobel Peace prize. Even though he's still listed by the committee as a joint recipient, Le Duc Tho (the Vietnamese negotiator awarded the prize for the Paris Peace Accords along with Kissinger) turned it down on the basis that the accords were a failure and the US was still bombing Vietnam. Jean-Paul Sartre turned it down, though I'm not sure of his reasons. A couple of Russians awarded the prize turned it down under pressure from the Soviet government (names and details escape me at the moment - sorry). There might have been others, too.

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