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Hyroglyphx
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Message 92 of 179 (533388)
10-30-2009 2:10 PM


Steering back on course
Is God evil? Well, that has to assume so much.
Evil is subjective, unless of course we are talking about an omnipotent God who deals out moral absolutes. Then one has to question whether or not God breaks his own commandments, which then has to assume whether or not the bible is infallible. On and on it goes.
These questions still linger because philosophically there is no end in sight. One question simply introduces another variable so that it invariably and perpetually becomes insufficiently answered.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

  
Hyroglyphx
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Message 102 of 179 (533678)
11-02-2009 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Peg
11-02-2009 6:04 AM


except that evil isnt an intrinsic part of ones being...its an act
You perform evil, you cannot be evil
Either way "evil" is allegedly the very antithtesis of what God is, yet there are numerous verses that explicitly state that God creates evil, God brings upon people evil, God allows evil, God commands evil, etc.
How do you reconcile that?
again because evil is an act performed
In the Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary the term evil is said to designate not only moral badness or offense; wrongdoing; wickedness, but also anything impairing happiness or welfare or depriving of good; injury; disaster
So if evil is moral badness, yet elsewhere it states that God is incapable of sin, there obviously is a contradiction. If the bible is infallible then the contradiction cannot be explained away.
You then cannot occupy both positions. You have to give up one position. Either the bible is not infallible or the bible is contradictory.
So evil is something that God can create or do just as you or I can create or do it. It doesnt mean that God IS evil.
1st John 3:9 states that nobody can sin as long as God abides in him because God cannot sin, and you quoted the dictionary stating that evil is "moral badness" (sin), so that is in direct contradiction. How do you reconcile that?

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 115 of 179 (533844)
11-03-2009 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Peg
11-02-2009 5:27 PM


So basically what I've deduced from your reply is that if we did what God did we'd be guilty of sin (do as I say, not as I do), God is always exonerated from his own laws, and evil for God isn't really evil-evil so much as it is righteous-evil.
Basically it doesn't matter how many times God orders babies be dashed on the rocks, it's not an morally evil act its an righteous evil act in his spiritual indignation.
OR people throughout history invented God's approval so they could massacre to their hearts content with those nagging bouts of guilt.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 118 of 179 (533858)
11-03-2009 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Peg
11-03-2009 7:27 AM


God does not transgress his own laws, he abides by them perfectly.
Which is circular only because he grants himself the power. We cannot commit genocide, but he can. We cannot commit murder unless he says it is okay.
undestand your contention about the execution of people including their children/babies. What I have come to appreciate as a parent, is that the decisions I make will affect my children. If i make a bad decision, my children my suffer as a consequence of my own actions.
Which goes against God's own teaching. The one who sins will die, saith the bible. Yet it also says that sins will come upon up to the 3rd and 4th generation. Is it righteous that my infant son or daughter be pulverized on rocks because of something my great-granfather did during one of his youthful indiscretions?
people make themselves enemies of God, then they are making that decision for the children in their care. When a Leader of a nation goes to war with another nation, that leader puts the whole nation at risk of harm.
No one can help where they were born, to whom they were born, and often who is in power, like Sadam. If God punishes people for that then he's not much of God worth serving now is he?
Would you blame the UN for the harm caused by food shortages and medical supply shortages...is it the UN's fault that many children died as a result of Saddams decisions?
you can't compare the UN to God, the creator of all life, the designer of how the world works, etc. Since God is omniscient and omnipotent, he has the ability to stop it all and yet doesn't. Sure, he gave us freewill, but he also gave us the ability and the desire to sin in the first place which makes him culpable for how his progeny turns out, and then he punishes for the things he has created.
When nations chose to war with him (by attaking his people) he was forced to act upon them...he was forced to bring evil upon the attakers in order to bring justice to his own people. Its a sad consequence that many children of those enemies died
It is more than just sad, it is completely unnecessary and entirely avoidable. If God were less discreet, don't you think more people would believe in him and abide by his laws?
the death of anyone is not something God enjoys or takes any delight in
[i]"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open." -- Hosea 13:16
Yes, I see what you mean. It's obviously all their fault.
It is amazing what justifications people will make for God, yet when Muslims use the same justifications for their atrocities, Christians recoil at the horror. What precisely is the difference? One's a false god and the other is the "true" living God?

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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