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hooah212002
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Message 148 of 179 (534104)
11-05-2009 1:08 AM


double post
double post
Edited by hooah212002, : sorry

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Message 149 of 179 (534105)
11-05-2009 1:08 AM


Response to both Peg and iano
iano writes:
Message 140
Your will was compromised back at the Fall by way of having a desire to sin injected into it. In other words, your will, if left to it's own devices, would plump for sin as surely as a junkie injects heroin.
So basically, we were screwed from the get-go anyways. That tells me that it's gods fault. Gog gave us that free will, and you say our free will is faulty.
peg writes:
Message 142
If God silenced all his opposers before their case could be heard, then he would be abusing his own laws about free will. He had to allow this opposing angel to state his case. His case was that all humans would turn their backs on God. The account from the book of Job clearly demonstrates the issue that Satan raised about humans.
All because of ONE apple? mankind is doomed...because of ONE apple. I don't get how you all can wrap your head around that.
the first people EVER created....ate ONE apple.......now........ALL of us are doomed to "sin".
What a swell guy this god feller is. So forgiving.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan

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Message 150 of 179 (534106)
11-05-2009 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by Wotak
11-05-2009 12:13 AM


Re: My Troll Is Best Troll.
I really see no sense in your attacking peg for editing her posts. It is completely unnecessary.

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Message 152 of 179 (534108)
11-05-2009 2:13 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by Peg
11-05-2009 1:16 AM


Re: double post
The fact that you are OK with everyone in the entire human race that ever existed suffering for what gods very first creation did, baffles me.
The fact that it seems as though god uses this as an excuse, baffles me. Why not start over? why make all of humanity inevitably suffer because his FIRST creation screwed up? Seems a bit, i don't know, pedantic?

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Message 153 of 179 (534109)
11-05-2009 2:21 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by Peg
11-05-2009 1:16 AM


look at it through parent/child eyes
Look at it this way:
let's say you are a mother of 8 kids, all are 2 years apart(just a hypothetical quick scenario). Your firstborn disobeys you by eating something they are not suppose to. Do you punish every child thereafter for that mishap? or do you allow them to earn your distrust by making their own mistakes? Do you allow an evil stranger in your home who you KNOW will tempt them to eat said food?
I just really can't understand the rationale behind everyone suffering/being born into sin....because of ONE person.
Edited by hooah212002, : spelled "rationale" wrong

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Message 157 of 179 (534123)
11-05-2009 5:30 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by iano
11-05-2009 5:12 AM


Re: Balancing the see-saw of choice.
A&E understood English
elaborate. Do you mean to say that English is the original language? Would you also say that A&E were caucasion?
And so the consequences earned are Adam and Eves responsibility alone.
As i have said before, I find it atrocious that you can accept the repurcussions of the very first people ever created, and base your whole belief system on that.

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Message 159 of 179 (534125)
11-05-2009 5:45 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by iano
11-05-2009 5:27 AM


Re: Response to both Peg and iano
Adam and Eve were the last one's with a free will.
They were the first damn people ever. It seems as though god never intended on eternal bliss, free from sin even being an option, just a pipe dream.
Or a conscience if you prefer.
So our sentience is a sin?
.......random drug references.....
What? I really didn't follow much of that.
Let me ask you: should Hitlers descendants be chastized for what Adolf did? Should they have to ask for forgiveness for Adolf's mistakes?

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Message 160 of 179 (534126)
11-05-2009 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by iano
11-05-2009 5:36 AM


Re: Balancing the see-saw of choice.
I don't think you are following what i am saying. Every human being that has ever lived, according to you, is born a sinner because of what the VERY FIRST PERSON EVER CREATED did. gods first creation fucked up, and we pay. Sickening.

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Message 167 of 179 (534206)
11-05-2009 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by iano
11-05-2009 6:05 AM


Re: Balancing the see-saw of choice.
So they weren't human in the sense that we are human.
Are you suggesting we descended from non-humans?

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Message 172 of 179 (534237)
11-06-2009 5:52 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by iano
11-06-2009 5:06 AM


Re: Balancing the see-saw of choice.
Define 'human' and the answer'd likely be no.
You said A&E were'nt human. How could your answer be no? Or are you saying we aren't descended from A&E?
{ABE}oops, sorry PD.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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Message 176 of 179 (534322)
11-06-2009 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by iano
11-06-2009 7:21 PM


Re: Balancing the see-saw of choice.
So having less knowledge makes you less human? I want to hear YOUR definition of human ( I am a science minded individual, so im sure you can infer, at least I hope, what I define as human).
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein.
AdminPD
Edited by hooah212002, : clarification
Edited by hooah212002, : more clerical errors
Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic

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