In any case, what standards of evidence are you using, Percy? Are quotes from advocates of intelligent design good evidence about the history of their movement? If so, I can provide many quotes saying that the history of the movement is separate from creationism. If not, why are you using quotes?
This entire discussion is covered with two points.
1) "cdesign proponentists" - If you have a text book which reads "Creationists" and you copy and paste "design proponents" over Creationists without changing a single other word then "design proponents" = "creationists".
You couldn't take a history textbook and copy and paste "Spain" over "England" and have it not be grossly incorrect.
You couldn't take a math textbook and copy and paste "5" over "9" and have it not be grossly incorrect.
You couldn't take a chemistry textbook and copy and paste "hydrogen" over "carbon" and have it not be grossly incorrect.
You couldn't take a physics textbook and copy and paste "potential energy" over "kinetic energy" and have it not be grossly incorrect.
Yet, they DID copy and paste "design proponent" over "creationist" and it didn't make a lick of difference.
2) The Wedge Document specifically lays out their strategy of renaming Creationism and getting a foot in the door.
You can present ALL the quotes in the world from ID proponents claiming that they aren't Creationists - it won't matter.
Once you announce to the world that you have a strategy of lying to get your goal, any subsequent quote is suspect.
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