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Author Topic:   Does intelligent design have creationist roots?
Larni
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Message 31 of 151 (506055)
04-22-2009 4:40 AM
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04-22-2009 2:42 AM


Re: Innocent until proven guilty.
The point here is that ID is purely the result of xian creationists.
The validity of creationism (any version of creationism) is not the point here.
What you seem to be doing is the mysterious Yoda Dance: that gets old really quick, here.
ABE: I'm sure Huntard cares that you may consider his post puerile.
Edited by Larni, : ABE

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Larni
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Message 35 of 151 (506584)
04-27-2009 6:03 PM
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04-27-2009 4:26 PM


Re: Innocent until proven guilty.
What the hell's 'metascience'?

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Larni
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Message 37 of 151 (506625)
04-28-2009 5:17 AM
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04-27-2009 6:14 PM


Re: Innocent until proven guilty.
Gee, sounds just like ID doesnt it.
No doubt.
I beats me how any one can claim ID is anything else other than creationism.
Turning the word science into some neologism to redefine it seems an equally pointless pass time.
Edited by Larni, : Added 'pointless'

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Larni
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Message 39 of 151 (506681)
04-28-2009 10:51 AM
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04-28-2009 10:37 AM


Re: Metascience
Robins Collins writes:
One cost that goes along with this claim is that if the hypothesis of a transcendent designer is excluded as a matter of methodology, then one cannot claim that science (at least when it theorizes about origins) purports to tell us the truth about the world, but only that science gives us the best naturalistic story.
Here is the problem: the reason for science not answering questions about a hypothetical designer is that there is no evidence of the designer that science can study.
It's a bit like me going to a doctor and asking her to tell me what's wrong with me when I steadfastly refuse to tell her my symptoms; and then tell her she not doing 'doctoring'.
Calling science 'metascience' is simply an attempt to redefine science a la Wedge Document.

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Larni
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Message 42 of 151 (506685)
04-28-2009 11:10 AM
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04-28-2009 11:01 AM


Re: Metascience
traderdrew writes:
However, I.D. has given me some possible insights into the intentions of our creator.
The problem here is that you assume that there is a designer to have intentions. This is putting the cart before the pony.
Rather than say "my hypothesis is that there is a designer; now I shall attempt to falsify my hypothesis" you appear to be saying "I assume my hypothesis of a designer existing is correct and now I go on to hypothesise as to it's intentions".
That is not a rational way to gather information. It's like assuming someone is guilty and then assigning the motivations she must have had to commit the crime.
In the words of the late 20th century poet philosopher Neil Tennet
"Think about it seriously; you know it makes sense".

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Larni
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Message 64 of 151 (506947)
04-30-2009 12:57 PM
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04-30-2009 12:08 PM


traderdrew writes:
It would be quite a process if you wished to explain everything you encounter with science.
I don't see your point, here. In everyday life common sense works pretty well. Our brains are perfectly equipped to deal with every day circumstances.
However, our brains require the appliance of science when a common sense ideas (say that the sun revolves around the moon or that all things have purpose) conflict with reality.
You don't need to apply science to understand 'that' you like the pretty/handsome guy/girl next door, but you do need it when you ask 'why'.

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