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traderdrew Member (Idle past 1100 days)  Posts: 379 From: Palm Beach, Florida Joined: |
I thought I was answering your points except for the one on the holographic universe. You asked for some science as I recall. It is not hard to find it on google. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090203081609.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090203130708.htm And I think you are right that I am part of the irony. I wouldn't mind meeting with you at least once at City Place. I am not like this in real life. I don't push my agendas on people who don't want to hear about them. Of course I do it here because you have a choice if you wish to read it or not or engage me. Edited by traderdrew, : No reason given.
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traderdrew Member (Idle past 1100 days) Posts: 379 From: Palm Beach, Florida Joined: |
What if I told you that I am a Jedi from Star Wars and I believe that we were created by the Force?
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Straggler Member  Posts: 9302 From: London England Joined: Member Rating: 9.8 |
I would suggest that this claim could be made on the basis of similar sort of evidence to that proposed in favour of ID.....
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 662 days)  Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Edited by lyx2no, : Dbcodes are being translated then applied. Edited by lyx2no, : Still Edited by lyx2no, : Improve upon my daft reply. Genesis 2 17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness. 18 And we all live happily ever after.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 136 days)  Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I'd say you were as loony as an IDest There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Adminnemooseus Director  Posts: 3426 Joined: Member Rating: 6.0 |
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Taq Member  Posts: 4561 Joined: Member Rating: 9.7 |
Why don't you ask the most vocal ID proponents why this must be? They are the ones pushing this agenda. It also comes through in their insistence that accepting evolution leads to such atrocities as the Holocaust and school shootings.
ID is christian because it has christian creationist roots. Also, ID has to get around constitutional bans that do not exist in Hindu or Muslim countries. Edited by Taq, : fix quote box
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Taq Member Posts: 4561 Joined: Member Rating: 9.7 |
But you can see how this would be a problem for those who base their faith on the existence of supernatural acts. Where it applies to this topic, some people have based their faith in the idea that life had to come about through a supernatural act, not through a natural one. Therefore, science is a threat to their faith. If this is the case, then there are two strategies. First, try to disprove the scientific theories that are an affront to your beliefs. Second, redefine science so that it encompasses your religious beliefs. This is exactly what the ID movement is all about. This is EXACTLY what the Scientific Ccreationism movement (ca. 1950's headed by Henry Morris) is all about. ID really is a dressed up version of Morris' Scientific Creationism.
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traderdrew Member (Idle past 1100 days) Posts: 379 From: Palm Beach, Florida Joined: |
Actually I wouldn't blame evolution for school shootings nearly as much as SSRI anti-depressant drugs.
I think it would be more rational and more scientific to refute what they say instead of just connecting the dots. Edited by traderdrew, : No reason given. Edited by traderdrew, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member  Posts: 3859 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.6 |
quote: Look up PRATTS. Points Refuted A Thousand Times. Show us one ID statement that has not been refuted. You see, it gets old when they keep rehashing the same old refuted arguments. Also, the thread is "Does Intelligent design have creationist roots?", not "what is the Most effective way to combat ID?" Therefore, you should be presenting arguments showing us that ID does not have creationist roots. Not saying that we shouldn't be connecting them in the first place. If you want to do that,(here it comes,bet you can guess what I am going to say) START ANOTHER THREAD. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Taq Member Posts: 4561 Joined: Member Rating: 9.7 |
If ID supporters put forth something that was rational and scientific then I would be more than happy to refute it, but they don't do this. There are no peer reviewed papers to discuss. There is no ID research to discuss. All they put forth is a long list of logical fallacies, quote mines, and false information. Not only that, but these fallacies, quote mines, and false information are the same fallacies et al. that have were used by scientific creationists before them. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Fallen Member (Idle past 597 days)  Posts: 38 Joined: |
Out of curiosity, would anyone here be interested in a 1-on-1, moderated debate on the history of Intelligent Design? I greatly enjoy reading all of your responses to my posts, but it is hard for me to discuss this issue with so many people at once. I am not necessarily issuing a challenge right now, but it would be nice to know if people are available. Edited by Fallen, : No reason given. Forgive me, Father, for I know not what I do.
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subbie Member  Posts: 3242 Joined: Member Rating: 9.6 |
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Fallen Member (Idle past 597 days) Posts: 38 Joined: |
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subbie Member Posts: 3242 Joined: Member Rating: 9.6 |
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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