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cavediver
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Message 12 of 139 (535452)
11-16-2009 3:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Blzebub
11-15-2009 6:23 PM


So what is achieved here? Neither side is ever going to change their opinion.
I arrived here at EvC as a charismatic evangelical Christian. I despised creationism and was looking for some resources on the web for a book I was intending to write. EvC has been instrumental in taking me out of theism completely. The relentless questioning (none aimed at me I might add) by members such as Nosy, Coragyps, and most especially Crashfrog eventually battered down the doors of my faith and revealed it as the irrational and unnecessary burdan that had been choking me for the past twenty+ years. For that, EvC will always be the most important site on the web to me.
As an aside, whatever happened to Crash? He seemed to quietly slip away around the time of the Purge. I despised his argumentation while he was here, and thought him idiotic much of the time (especially in the 'great' Holmes/Crash vendettas.) It was only after he had gone that I realised what an impact he had had on me.

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cavediver
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Message 18 of 139 (535468)
11-16-2009 7:10 AM
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11-16-2009 6:56 AM


I arrived here at EvC as a charismatic evangelical Christian.
I would have NEVER guessed that.
Even back then, I didn't tolerate bullshit with a particularly Christ-like level of patience - should see my old conversations with Randman...

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cavediver
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Message 28 of 139 (535564)
11-16-2009 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by slevesque
11-16-2009 6:14 PM


Yeah I agree, maybe not oxy
So, all of these suggest that the Earth, Universe, whatever is 6000-10,000 years old? And I'm assuming that they come from a broad spectrum of backgrounds? Hindu, Bhuddist, Sikh, Zoroastrian, Christian, Agnostic, New Ager, Atheist, Jewish, Islam? and of course from the whole spectrum of these beliefs from most fundemental to most liberal? What's that? No??? The almost total sum of them are Christian??? Huh? Not just Christian, but fundemental evangelical Christian???
Wow, so fundemental evangelical Christians are the only subgroup of scientists not blinded by the propeganda of evolutionism, and the only ones who have the ability to see the real science going on behind the scenes. Jeez, I'm glad you're here slevesque, 'cos we might have missed this otherwise.
Oh, can I just say,

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cavediver
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Message 36 of 139 (535627)
11-17-2009 3:22 AM
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11-16-2009 9:49 PM


So, all of these suggest that the Earth, Universe, whatever is 6000-10,000 years old?
Yeah, well to believe that the Christian God created the earth 6000 years ago, and that Adam and Eve were historical People, etc. You pretty much have to be christian, don't you think ?
God? Where did I mention any gods? And who are these Adam and Eve? We're talking about your long list of scientists whom, having studied the evidence, have come to the conclusion that the Earth is 6000-10000 years old. I'm merely suggesting that if this were a valid conclusion based upon the evidence, we would see this conclusion evenly spread through the body of scientists, irrespective of religious belief. Do we?
'Only christian can believe in Young earth creationism'' to ''Therefore young-earth creationism is false'' is quite the jump of logic.
I don't believe I did this. Did I?
I would wish you had a little more interest in philosophy
You can philosophise all you like, but I am trying to get you to THINK.
Do you want me to list all the evangelical born-again Christian scientists I know personally (ranging from the ex-head of the UK space-program - don't laugh! - through cytogeneticists, doctors, chemists, physicists) who all think creationism is pure idiocy? My list would rival yours, and would be a hell of a lot more prestigious.
Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.

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cavediver
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Message 38 of 139 (535629)
11-17-2009 3:26 AM
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11-17-2009 3:23 AM


He was a geneticist who became creationist at age 50.
I'm assuming his switch to creationism came before any hint of his conversion to evangelical Christianity?

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cavediver
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Message 41 of 139 (535632)
11-17-2009 3:37 AM
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11-17-2009 3:32 AM


Hey, as I've said. You can't be YEC without being christian.
Huh? You mean that you can't see the evidence that the Earth is only 6000-10000 years old unless you are a Christian. Does God have a special set of Paulian scales just waiting to fall from the eyes of all scientists the moment they accept Jesus into their lives? Curiously, they only seem to fall from the eyes of those scientists who convert in the presence of other creationists
But this does not impact the fact that he did become a creationist. He could have very, very easily stayed a proponent of the ToE while being christian.
Hmmm, do we know the leaning of those Christians and the church that surrounded him during his conversion? You don't think they themselves may have been creationist? Nah, probably has nothing to do with it

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