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Buzsaw
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Message 150 of 181 (541125)
12-31-2009 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Teapots&unicorns
11-28-2009 2:50 PM


Teapots&Unicorns writes:
At this point, most theists would probably respond with the idea that "goodness is an essential part of God's nature." However, this is only moving the goalposts. For one thing, it is still circular (God is good because God is good) and, also, if God's nature was such (hypothetically) that genocide and torture were morally commendable, would you think that moral too? In addition, just because God is a certain way, how do you deem that "good"?
Hi T&U. Jehovah, the god of the Bible has been shown to be the supreme designer and creator of all. If you want to know how to repair or tune up your automobile, you have a manual from the designer/manufacturer/creator. The maker knows what is best for the created product to make it hum along efficiently and smoothly.
Take sexual sins, declared sinful in the Biblical record, for example. It is known that they all have adverse health problems which will be avoided by abstinence from them and adherance to the guidelines set forth in the Biblical record by Jehovah. As well we know of the social problems which are related to Biblically designated sexual sins.
The bottom line here has to do with whether there is a supreme designer and administrator of the universe. If it be so, the owner's manual which the designer/manufacturer/creator has made available is what determines what is moral in any given situation.
For the past 200 years it has served our nation well. For 64+ years since I became a Christian it has served me and mine extremely well.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 152 of 181 (541141)
12-31-2009 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by hooah212002
12-31-2009 9:20 PM


Re: Buz Buz buz......
hooah writes:
Please do elaborate some more on this. Funny how it is your side who is the majority that sees a problem with "sexual deviancy" (same sex relationships). So maybe it is YOUR social problem......... We all know how clean and rape free the bible is to live our sexual lives by it, amIright?
Hi Hooah.
1. I never specified same sex. I generalized my point.
2. My message was not pertaining to the Biblical record relative to specific incidents of deviency. My message pertained to the diseases humans encounter by practicing deviency. This includes deviency recorded in the Biblical record, of course. The Bible is not a book for prudes. It lays it out as history happened. It did not fare well for those who practiced various deviencies according to the record.
In case you're not apprised on the extent of disease all Biblically renounced sexual deviency tends to, have a look. There's a whole lot of them.
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AdminPD
Yes. Just ask the Native Americans! Don't forget the African Americans whom came over here willingly!
Yah, poor folks. They collect or pay no sales tax on cigaretts & gas, no property tax get gov't & in come cases oil royalties etc. They fish & hunt freely. They get rich when the shite sheeple gamble in their lucrative casino business forbidden for white sheeple, etc.
They fare quite well with nice cars, heated homes electricity and all of the ammenities we all enjoy compared to back when they were barbaric warriors who scalped, emboweled and tortured one another in tribal wars, sacrificed their young in fires and all that paganism offers. In short, they enjoy the blessings of America without assuming the responsibilities that white sheeple must assume.
Oh, and btw, all nations at one time or other have practiced slavery. Slaves in America often fared better then their relatives back in pagan jungles. Slaves in Christian oriented America on the whole, fare better than slaves in pagan nations historically.
Lastly, don't forget all of the REPUBLICAN white blood that was shed emancipating the slaves.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU, YOURS AND ALL HERE IN EVC TOWN!!
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 173 of 181 (541682)
01-05-2010 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by DevilsAdvocate
01-01-2010 6:56 AM


Re: Buz Buz buz......
DA writes:
If white people suffered the same plight you would be either dead or living on one of these 300 reservations which occupy less than 2% of the United States. Would you be saying the same thing?
Hi DA. If white people were pagans who boiled one another for dinner, barbariously tortured one another by scalping, disemboweling alive, sacrificicing their children and wives in fire to their gods, sold their enemies as slaves etc as pagan Native Americans and African blacks practiced, perhaps they too would have no true god to deliver them from their opressive govenments as was the case with the pilgrims.
DA writes:
What a crock of shit. Where can you show me that slaves in America fared better than there free African relatives?
I said, often this was the case. Some chose to stay with their good masters after the emancipation. Many others were endeared to their masters and their families.
Btw, DA. perhaps, if you care to be objective and fair, you would put up on the screen artist's rendition of some of the horrors of cannibalism, disemboweling, and scalping etc, as pagans did to themselves before becoming evangelized to become civilized Christians.
DA writes:
So slavery is acceptable as long as white Christians are doing the slaving huh. I guess we Abraham Lincoln was wrong in trying to empancipate the slaves then huh?
This is an obsurd strawman. I'm sure you're aware of that. Nothing I said entertained that position.
DA writes:
I guess these attrocities never happened:
These artist renditions are NOT objective of the norm relative to treatment of slaves in the US. They would more accurately depict the ongoing treatment of Christians in totalitarian Islamic nations and secularist communist nations where persecution is ongoing.
DA writes:
District Judge Caruthers convened a grand jury in June 1911 to investigate the lynching of the Negro woman and her son. In his instructions to the jury, he said, "The people of the state have said by recently adopted constitutional provision that the race to which the unfortunate victims belonged should in large measure be divorced from participation in our political contests, because of their known racial inferiority and their dependent credulity, which very characteristic made them the mere tool of the designing and cunning. It is well known that I heartily concur in this constitutional provision of the people's will. The more then does the duty devolve upon us of a superior race and of greater intelligence to protect this weaker race from unjustifiable and lawless attacks."
This was just good Christian white folk keeping the ignorant black nigers in check.
Again, this was not the norm. Why don't you put up some stats on how many whites gave their lives during the Civil War to emancipate the blacks.
DA writes:
The Republican Party founded shortly before the Civil War is nothing like the Republican Party of today.
LOL. Better do some historical research on this, DA, all the way up to the present. Democrats have consistently been on the wrong side relative to integration and advancement of blacks up to the present.
DA writes:
Go read your history books Buzz and stop inventing your own white supremacist racist history.
This personal attack either depicts your ignorance or implicates you as a liar, DA. Either put up or shut up on that account.
ABE: Today I have spent much of the day working with a very black black friend of a number of years under a truck changing a tranny, on my cold driveway. I loaned him over a hundred dollars with no receipt; just his word to pay it back when he can. I also donated to and voted for Allan Keys, a revered very intelligent black when he ran for president of the US a number of years ago. Way back in the early 1950s when in the USAF my a black was my favorite superior officer and another black airman I despised almost as much as I despise the (enemy of the republic) black which we have elected to preside over us. Because of his superiour rank he was very condescending, particularly towards whites under his authority. Over the years I have both helped and befriended many Americans of black descent, some brothers in Christ and some not. I have sent regular donations and clothes via Voice of the Martyrs to African poor for several decades. Yah, DA, ole man buz most certainly must have a history of bigoted racism. NOT!
(I've added the above because I must continually set the record straight on this here at EvC, because of folks like you , DA, who lower yourself to attacking the messenger rather than addressing the pertinent point typed. )
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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