Euthypro Dilemna

So then, god isn't required for morals?

he DID create us perfectly, in his image. rib woman screwed that up for us. It's our fault as mankind for electing her as our representative.I think the typical response to this question would go something like this: God IS. It is not a choice for god to make to be "good" or "moral". He IS those things. Anything that goes against his will is what is deemed as "bad" or "immoral". He IS the law.Does it sit well with me personally? nope.Now, to bat for the right team. if you were to create, say, a childrens toy, and the second one you ever made (using parts from the first) ripped a childs finger off, would you not shoot for a different design? or would you create millions of them, damaging every child in the world? oh, but wait: you have a recall lined up a few thousand years down the road tht will fix the problem (screw all the kids who already lost their finger). However, you only tell a select few about this recall, and in such a way that it sounds untrue or muddied, so many choose not to opt in for the recall. Tough, they lose their fingers.I guess his choice lies not in being "good", but in being a prick.

I agree, for the most part. The part i am in contention with is this: If god answers to ANYONE at all, he isn't the abrahamic lord of all as depicted in the bible. This depiction you stated creates your own personal god. For me? I have absolutely NO problem with that, however, with regards to the subject at hand, I don't think it quite fits. As a matter of fact, it is similar to what I am spinning in my head as what I think god, if there is such a thing, is: a force of nature. not a figure, but life in and of itself. Thinking that way, genesis becomes more clear, provided you take it allegorically.

So god IS what man makes him? is god not the ruler of all? Since when do we (mankind) make the rules?More fuel, IMO, for god being a manmade invention. So, god is a pedophile when a child molesting preacher is preaching about him?

You're a literalist, so let me ask: where does it say this in the bible? (I don't mean this facetiously, I admittely have not read the bible cover to cover)IMO, the OP was referring to the bible MOST christians read and adhere to. I am feeling like we are deviating from "the norm" (this IS an evolution vs. CREATIONISM site, so I assume fundy christianity is the main topic at hand). Not too many fundimental christians have this belief in god, one that god is just a force. God is normally portrayed as a figure.Now, I'm not saying you are incorrect, but for the topic at hand, I don't think it is the correct way to view the subject. Note what I replied to Stile, this is similar to my way of thinking. Again, same problem. If you are saying god is nothing more than a force of nature, I have no qualms. However, the god of the bible is more than a force of nature. How else would he show himself to Moses? That implies a figure.

Oops. Sorry, I forgot that part of your first post. Disregard.

so, rationality equates evilness. check. No more than the theory of relativity does. The TOE is a section of science. It is a study, not a beleif. What about science scares you twits? Seriously? Yes no, only you christians. The rest of us are just fine. We are only classified as such by :GASP: christians. I really question the validity of that statement.

A mere few posts, and I realize already that rational, logical thinking is lost on this chap. Hence why I cannot bring myself to respond to his mindless lunacy.Thanks T&U.

So if you don't like what god says, go with man's point of view? How would god like that? How do you wrangle that in your head? Isn't god the final say? Is it not possible that the qualities attributed to god were that of what man strived for? Attributes superimposed on this eternal being, placed there by the sheep herders who concocted him up?

I guess you think this is good: http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2007/02/this_is_what_god_told_me_to_do.php This pastor sexually abused women "because god told him to". You must think he was doing the right thing, right? He was doing good? Who are we to question the almighty god?What about all these people, did they do good? Were they good people? Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

I seriously hope the police have you under surveillance. You are fucked in the head.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

When god does it, it's righteousness.When man does it, it's murder and wrong.

If you can't see how it is wrong that you said you would KILL YOUR FAMILY if god told you to, I say you are more far gone than I imagined. Seek help immediately.

Who are you to judge who god talks to and who he doesn't talk to? They are/were christian just like you.Would you question if god spoke to moses? of course not. Just because these people aren't in the bible doesn't mean god didn't talk to them, does it? or is god silent nowadays?

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Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan

I forgot: iano gets to determine who is a christian and who isn't. I guess being a pastor doesn't qualify being a christian (oops! spoiler alert because you didn't bother to read the link I posted). Well, they said that was their reason. Why would a christion use the almighty as an excuse? Are you saying SOME christians are dishonest in the name of god? I think you are the one who is dishonest. Mainly because, according to you, we really can't believe much anything christians say. Why believe anything in the bible? How do we know the writers were real christians?I see you either aren't understanding the issue being presented to you, or you don't want to.

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Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan