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Wounded King
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Message 46 of 49 (106287)
05-07-2004 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Saviourmachine
05-06-2004 7:07 AM


Re: The existence of information
Presumably the human writing in question would be 'Finnegan's wake' as edited by William S. Burroughs.

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Peter
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Message 47 of 49 (107407)
05-11-2004 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Saviourmachine
05-06-2004 7:07 AM


Re: The existence of information
quote:
For example: time is typical something that human experience, but it's also something inherently existing in the real world even without us
Don't get me started on that one ....
quote:
DNA does even have semantics, not any sequence is valid, just as human writings.
I didn't actually mention semantics, since thre is not even a syntax
associated with DNA. What are the rules for a DNA sequence?
Well, maybe start and stop codons ... but the DNA in any set of
chromosomes doesn't have any actual syntactic rules that the
whole sequence adheres to (otherwise you wouldn't have premature
stops).
Nature doesn't 'percieve' anything ... except if you want to start
netsing analogies to obscure things even more.
DNA is a chemical ... it reacts with it's cellular environment,
which reacts with the extra-cellular environment.
A hierarchy of chemical systems so complex that to study it we need
a whole discipline of science.
That doesn't make it data in any conventional 'data-processing' sense.

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lfen
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Message 48 of 49 (128546)
07-29-2004 4:46 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Yaro
03-15-2004 5:24 PM


We never truely die but manifest in different forms as our prime material is reused ad infinitum.
However, this God, is at best totaly neutral and without intent. He is caught in a state of being, and that is all he does. Like the aborigional mythos, we are all caught in his irrational dream
Hey Yaro,
Kinda like this?
the great globe itself, yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve; and, like this insubstantial pageant faded, leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff as dreams are made on, and our little life is rounded with a sleep. -- Shakespeare, The Tempest, Act IV
One of the most famous zen koans is the demand by the master for the student to "show me your original face before your father and mother were born". This follows from the Buddha's teaching that everything which is born (comes into being) dies (passes out of being) only that which is never born never dies. What is this original unborn? Some called it the original mind, or the one mind.
However, this God, is at best totaly neutral and without intent. He is caught in a state of being, and that is all he does.
Caught? caught imples a desire to escape. What if he is prior to being? The state is not steady it's changing all the time. What if "he" is doing nothing? What if he is the void, the empty space that this all takes place in? Like the Tibetan metaphor of the sky. When it rains it is not wetted, when the sun shine it's not hot, at night it's not dark. What if you are the empty space that allows the neuro muscular dance of what is called Yaro's life to takes place? What if you are the unborn void that the Yaro character "struts and frets her hour on the stage" in?
Waking is what the Buddha told people about. We suffer in our dreams of desire and aversion. The solution to tha suffering, not physical pain, but to the emotional spiritual suffering is to wake from the dream we have of being an entity.
Sorry to wax poeteic
But I love poetry! You've a lovely soulful quality. Please continue to let it shine.
peace,
lfen

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lfen
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Message 49 of 49 (128549)
07-29-2004 5:10 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by 1.61803
03-22-2004 12:20 PM


Re: DNA is intrinsically special
I am facinated by these thoughts of how energy and matter begat self awarness and conciousness. Regardless of how it happened, it did happen. Question is......is it happening else where as well? Your thoughts?
Hey 1.6...
matter and energy begetting awareness is one hypothesis.
Some of the sages in the east say that consciousness is the primal source and that matter and energy arise from it, that you and I and this entire Universe is consciousness. Not the contents, that is the play, the transformation, the information. Consciousness as analogous to space, not the nihilistic void but the fertile void.
I think it was Lao Tzu that pointed out the most important thing for a bowl is the empty space. Had it no void it would be useless. In the east void or emptiness is not meant as nothing but as the critical no thing ness that gives space for all the happening to move in. It is the most essential primal source of creative.
Maybe everything in the universe is concious we just are not aware of it. To lable DNA special is redundant if one believes that existance it'self is "special". What is special?
This is a very lovely thought. I forget who wrote the little haiku
"Cutting wood,
drawing water,
miraculous activity!"
What is, is miraculous... and "Isness" or "Amness" is the most special of all.
peace,
lfen

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