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Jazzns
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Message 326 of 759 (661734)
05-09-2012 5:35 PM


Proof of Evolution! Watch it happen live on TV!
Obama just "evolved" on the whole gay marriage thing. He now supports it.
I would like to think that his original conservativism on this was political rather than this change but either way, this is welcome news.
This is proof positive that political involvement doesn't stop on election day. If progressives have been as organized at lobbying for real change as the LGBT community has been, maybe we would have had a real progressive recovery too.
Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.

BUT if objects for gratitude and admiration are our desire, do they not present themselves every hour to our eyes? Do we not see a fair creation prepared to receive us the instant we are born --a world furnished to our hands, that cost us nothing? Is it we that light up the sun; that pour down the rain; and fill the earth with abundance? Whether we sleep or wake, the vast machinery of the universe still goes on. Are these things, and the blessings they indicate in future, nothing to, us? Can our gross feelings be excited by no other subjects than tragedy and suicide? Or is the gloomy pride of man become so intolerable, that nothing can flatter it but a sacrifice of the Creator? --Thomas Paine

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Jazzns
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Message 494 of 759 (702745)
07-11-2013 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 474 by Faith
07-11-2013 2:24 AM


Can't we just go back to "traditional" marriages?
The threat is not to marriages, as I tried to clarify, it's to the SOCIETAL UNDERSTANDING OF MARRIAGE, and that affects everybody.
I for one agree with Faith. The proper societal understanding of marriage is a foundation that was established as far back as the Old Testament and it has been our sinfull nature that has corrupted it over time.
I have long been eager to expand our family with more wives similar to some of God's most revered men. At this point in my life, I would SETTLE for a tenth of the number of concubines of Solomon instead. The problem I have is my pesky WIFE and her corrupted "modern" understanding of marriage. She refuses to consider herself as subserviant to me like my other property such as my children.
I can no longer get a new wife by getting together with the guys to go murder an entire village of people. Heck, a guy can't even get one by the good ole' technique of rape far enough away for anyone to hear her complaining!
All these things are now impossible because of the corrupt way society has changed the way it looks at the things as they were demonstrated by the tradition laid forth in the holy word of God himself.
Certainly we are in the last days.

If we long for our planet to be important, there is something we can do about it. We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers. --Carl Sagan

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Jazzns
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Message 568 of 759 (702907)
07-12-2013 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 498 by Faith
07-11-2013 10:54 AM


Re: Can't we just go back to "traditional" marriages?
In case you haven't noticed, 1) the polygamous practices of the Old Testament were NOT approved by God,
And yet some of the greatest men of God were still allowed to do so. The father of the Hebrews himself had a family out of wedlock and it did not disqualify him one iota from receiving the covenant.
2) the coming of Christ changed all that, clearly identifying marriage as one husband, one wife. I know you all love to pretend otherwise but it IS a pretense and you are wrong.
First you say it wasn't approved of, then you say that Christ changed it. Which is it?
Where exactly does Christ do this changing that you talk about?
Finally, why can't I "traditionally" obtain a wife by means of raping an unwed women or by pillaging? These were either rules given by god for dealing with rape or actions ordained by god to take care of unruly neighbors. What can be more traditional than instructions straight from the mouth of god?

If we long for our planet to be important, there is something we can do about it. We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers. --Carl Sagan

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Jazzns
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Message 580 of 759 (702927)
07-12-2013 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 569 by Faith
07-12-2013 3:56 PM


Re: Can't we just go back to "traditional" marriages?
What Christ CHANGED was their casual acceptance of the sin of polygamy, by emphasizing God's ordinance, not GOD'S ORDINANCE itself. Sheesh.
Where did Christ do this exactly?
And what about the tradition of rape? There are clear commandments from god for rape and genocide victims to marry their attackers.
Please Faith, help defend the traditional Biblical views on marriage. God commanded it this way so it must be moral.
This society has slid so far into corruption that we actually allow rape victims back into the dating pool and fathers of rape victims don't get ANY compensation for the loss of their property. Outrageous!

If we long for our planet to be important, there is something we can do about it. We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers. --Carl Sagan

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Jazzns
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Posts: 2657
From: A Better America
Joined: 07-23-2004


Message 605 of 759 (702968)
07-13-2013 1:36 AM
Reply to: Message 598 by Faith
07-12-2013 11:51 PM


Re: Can't we just go back to "traditional" marriages?
Doesn't occur to you that this was a mercy to the victims, who would otherwise be abandoned to a horrible fate, does it?
Lets just think about the things God could have said instead:
1. If your daughter is raped, don't consider her worthless as though she is now a used up commodity.
2. Men who would rape women should be punished with more than just a fine to cover the "cost" to the girls father.
3. In general, victims of crimes shouldn't be punished worse than their assailants. In fact, they shouldn't' be punished at all!
You speak of MERCY Faith? Really?
And yet at the moment that God is speaking most directly to humanity he can only offer an improvement of one half-step to the stone age morality that would have otherwise killed an innocent human being for the crime of being a victim?
Is this your beloved "tradition"? Why don't we do the same today? Are we lost to our corruption?

If we long for our planet to be important, there is something we can do about it. We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers. --Carl Sagan

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