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Message 131 of 759 (576885)
08-26-2010 9:42 AM
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08-26-2010 9:20 AM


Re: I lost respect for latino and black communities
Taz writes:
Woke up this morning and what did I hear? Predominantly black and latino counties in California are fighting to keep prop 8.
I am not sure why you find that a surprise, nor why you find that a problem.
Taz writes:
At least white people have an excuse to be bigots.
That seems too simplistic.
To a large extent, what you are seeing has to do with ignorance. Ignorant people are more likely to cling to superstitions from the past. It isn't news that there is more ignorance in black and latino communities. The reasons for this are complex, though some of it is due to discrimination against these groups that has reduced their educational opportunities.

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Message 138 of 759 (577012)
08-26-2010 8:55 PM
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08-26-2010 7:25 PM


Re: I lost respect for latino and black communities
Taz writes:
If they want to use ignorance as an excuse to discriminate, then I'll play this same game as well.
The problem with that argument, is that this is not the kind of simple discrimination issue that you make it out to be. Rather, there are underlying conceptual issues.
The gay community has run a pretty effective grass roots campaign to persuade people to change how they look at the issue. Clearly that campaign has not been as effective in the black and latino communities. Perhaps the gay activists themselves have failed to adequately engage the black and latino communities.
I can understand your being disappointed by the reaction of those communities. But I think you over reacting.

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Message 255 of 759 (652521)
02-14-2012 11:37 AM
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02-14-2012 8:20 AM


Taz writes:
It seems to me like the liberal commie crowd is perfectly happy with having gay marriage legalized through the courts when the overwhelming majority still make it clear by their votes that they hate gay people.
I think you are misreading public opinion.
Here's my take.
There's a small minority that "hates gays". The majority are undecided on the issue, with no strong feelings either way. If they are pushed to vote, they will vote against because it is easier to vote against change whose implications you don't fully understand.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Message 452 of 759 (702689)
07-10-2013 7:59 PM
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07-10-2013 7:17 PM


Would it be fair for me to say that if my partner and I start adopting children that they will fair better than if they spend their lives in the system until they turn 18?
They will probably fare better. Whether they fair better might depend on how much peroxide you use.
(Just injecting a little humor into the thread).

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Message 702 of 759 (768630)
09-12-2015 2:00 PM
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09-12-2015 9:14 AM


Re: Redefining Marriage
But I believe it would have been better if a new category of union had been created by Congress that had all the rights of marriage but was only civil in nature and not called marriage. This union could later be blessed as marriage by any religion willing to do so. Kim Davis could in good conscience sign these licenses for civil unions that are not marriage.
I don't object to the principle. But, in order to do this, you would have to change thousands of laws so as to include these civil unions. I'm pretty sure that the conservatives would be attempting to block those changes.
But why is this even needed? Marriage is already a civil union. That's why the state issues marriage licenses. The Churches already use their own special terminology of "holy matrimony" for the cases that they endorse. Nobody is attempting tell the Churches how they should define "holy matrimony".

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Message 715 of 759 (768725)
09-13-2015 2:00 PM
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09-13-2015 1:44 PM


Re: Holy Matrimony, Batman
Curiously you are nuts and a half to think anybody meant it would happen right away. Give it a generation.
I predict that it will start to happen just after the rapture.
HERE'S a Google page on the subject.
That's a page of gloom and doom predictions by the opponents of gay marriage.
When did the Christian message change from "We bring you tidings of great joy" to doom and gloom?

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