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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Hawkes Nightmare,
Biological Evidence Against Intelligent Design, Message 127:
ok here's another. going back to the origional topic- can an evolutionist please explain where the bombardier beetle came from? Yawn. This is OLD creationist junk, already refuted a thousand times. An Index to Creationist ClaimsCB310: Bombardier beetle evolution quote: CB310.1: Bombardier Beetles and Explosions.
quote: Not worth spending any more time on. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi anglagard, thanks for the referrals.
However, now that you appear to be genuinely interested in why nearly all individuals deeply and specifically trained in evaluating the evidence of an old universe and lack of a recent global flood provided from the earth (that God made at least according to some of us), I would hope you consider RAZD's threads with the same dispassionate distance that you would any 'purported evidence' from ICR or AIG. I think the thread that best deals with the issue of constant radioactivity rates is the "Are Uranium Halos the best evidence of (a) an old earth AND (b) constant physics?" thread as it links together several aspects that would all need to change in sync to replicate normal decay in some rapid decay scenario:
quote: It appears that the relationship between decay rate and decay energy is not inversely linear, but inversely exponential (thus the isotopes with the shortest half-life produce alpha-particles with the highest energy), and it appears that the relationship between decay energy and penetration distance is not linear but polynomial (it appears that the penetration depth increases with the square of the energy). Decreasing the half-lives by only 1/2 of the current amounts would blow the halos out of proportion to each other, increase their overall size, and only accomplish a very small minute fraction of the reduction necessary to make a young earth possible (the half-life of 238U is 4,468,000,000 years and half of that is only 2.2 billion years) --- there would be no 238 halo patterns of the proper size and proportion left from any period of vastly decreased decay rates.
FURTHERMORE, the longer half-life rings (like 238U) would not have enough time to form after the half-lives have stabilized at today's rates --- there would be no 238U rings formed in only 10,000 years.
quote: None of those pictures would be possible with any significant change in the decay rate in the last hundred million years, as "these halos take at least several hundred million years to form" -- after the decay rates are stabilized at today's rates. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : clrty Edited by RAZD, : more clrty Edited by Admin, : Narrow image width. we are limited in our ability to understand
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Dr. Adequate,
Now, here's the thing. The sediment in these lakes contains organic material, such as pollen. So we can carbon-date each varve as well as dating it just by counting. And guess what, the two methods are once again in good agreement. Not only that, the pollen data gives information about the climate, and the long term trends between warmer and colder years. This information also appears in the size of the tree rings, so there is another correlation. Why would both methods record "fat" summers and 14C levels the same?
Now, radioactive decay and tree growth are two separate processes, of course, so there's no reason why they should both be put wrong in such a way as to still agree with one another. Now, varve deposition and tree growth are two separate processes, of course, so there's no reason why they should both be put wrong in such a way as to still agree with one another.
So now we need another magical process, or the same one again, to screw with sedimentary deposition in glacial lakes in such a way as to keep it in lock-step with the way that tree-ring growth has been screwed with, which is in lock-step with the way that radioactive decay has been screwed with. And to produce the same climatic correlation. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : No reason given. Edited by RAZD, : spling we are limited in our ability to understand
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Apothecus,
But we don't see considerably less C14 prior to the date specified for the biblical flood (or any of the other various flood stories). As stated ealier, there is a difference, but one that is accounted for via calibration. It's worse than that -- the calibration shows that objects dated by 14C are actually older than the 14C date.
quote: See Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 for more on the correlations. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Apothecus, thanks.
I have to admit I checked and cross-referenced a lot of your conclusions, and found them all bulletproof, but in searching for the truth, shouldn't we always fact-check? Always. An open-minded skeptic will consider new ideas, and check them against the information available.
Anyway, you should also know that your posts pretty much sewed up my personal contention against anything flood-related. You've made my day, thanks. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi again Apothecus,
Let's set aside, for the moment, whether there was actually a real, historical exodus from Egypt, or if the walls of Jericho were actually brought down with the trumpets of the Israelites, etc, etc, etc...(insert your questionable historical biblical scenario here) How, exactly, when presented with the mountains of evidence, can you extend the (tiny) possibility of the above events to then conclude that the flood must have been an actual event? The same way that finding the ruins of Troy proves all the Grecian myths are true.
Buz Message 102: My understanding of RAZD's point on corroboration is that where questionable dating is encountered he alleges that there's enough corroborating other dating methods to overlook some of the questional aspects of weaker methods. I'm saying what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Perhaps Buz needs to read Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 before stating what it says. Each of the methods correlate with the others, and the only place they become weak or questionable is when the reach the limits of their methodology. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Coyote,
The atmospheric variation problem was identified by de Vries in 1958, shortly after C14 dating was invented. The 14C level changes with solar activity on an 11 year cycle, and this cycle shows up in the tree ring data. Astonishing. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand
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