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Son
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Message 16 of 26 (545003)
01-30-2010 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Coyote
01-30-2010 1:56 PM


Re: There's a Sucker Born Every Minute
Nice story, after reading it, it seems that hannum was really right, there really is a sucker born every minute (and probably even more than that).
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xongsmith
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Message 17 of 26 (545004)
01-30-2010 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by cavediver
01-30-2010 8:29 AM


Re: Winston Churchill
cavediver writes:
Please tell me that he did reply to -

"Winston, you're drunk!"

"Madam, you are ugly, but in the morning I will be sober"

One of my favorite Churchillisms went something like this:

Woman (some duchess I think): If I was married to you, I'd give you poison!

Winston: Madam, if I was married to you, I'd drink it!

but this is off-topic....


- xongsmith, 5.7d
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cavediver
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Message 18 of 26 (545005)
01-30-2010 4:56 PM
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01-30-2010 4:35 PM


Re: Winston Churchill
Winston, if that stomach were on a woman, I would think her pregnant!

Madam, it has been, and she is.


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Rrhain
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Message 19 of 26 (545034)
01-31-2010 6:35 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Modulous
01-30-2010 11:34 AM


Modulous writes:

quote:
No - that's what he did. What he said was:

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During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.
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Obviously he said a lot more than that ....


But you're neglecting the context. What was the question that he was asked? The quote, taken completely out of context and with the attitude being spun by the conservatives makes it seem as if Gore were trying to imply that he was spending all-nighters coding the TCP/IP stack while subsisting on nothing more than Hot Pockets and Mt. Dew.

But instead, that wasn't what the context was. Instead, he was in an interview with Wolf Blitzer who had asked him about his accomplishments in the Senate and Gore gave a response that only makes sense when taken in the context of his work as a Senator.

Wolf's question:

Why should Democrats, looking at the Democratic nomination process, support you instead of Bill Bradley?

Gore's answer:

I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be. But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

Only a fool would interpret this to mean that Gore was trying to claim intellectual credit. And, in fact, nobody bothered to think what he said was unusual until DAYS later when a Republican press release specifically and deliberately misquoted him.

The High Performance Computing and Communication Act, the act that provided the funding to develop the nascent ARPAnet used by the Department of Defense into the Internet we have today, is commonly referred to as the "Gore Act." The reason you have a web browser at all is because of the Gore Act for it was the source of funding to create the Mosaic browser.

Now, Vint Cert and Bob Kahn, the people who actually did write the TCP/IP stack, don't seem to think Gore was taking credit for their work and wrote an open letter soundly criticizing those who would imply otherwise.

Other things Gore is reputed to have said but didn't:

That he was the inspiration for Love Story.

That he discovered Love Canal.

That he was the one that brought up Willie Horton.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain
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Message 20 of 26 (545036)
01-31-2010 6:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
01-29-2010 9:30 AM


Humphrey Bogart never said, "Play it again, Sam!" The quote is, "You played it for her, you can play it for me. If she can stand it, I can. Play it!"

Mae West never said, "Why don't you come up and see me some time?" The quote is, "Why don't you come up some time and see me." This misquote became so popular that she adopted it.

Carl Sagan never said, "Billions and billions." Well, more accurately he never said it until everybody was making fun of him about it. "Billions and billions" was coined by Johnny Carson, a friend of Sagan's, who would parody him on The Tonight Show. Sagan admits that he did tend to hit the "b" in "billions" pretty hard during Cosmos, but that was primarly to ensure that people understood he was saying "billions" rather than "millions." He eventually wrote an article for Parade about this misquote where he finally said it. However, he said that as a scientist, he would never use such a phrase as "billions and billions" because it is so imprecise.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Huntard
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Message 21 of 26 (545102)
02-01-2010 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Blue Jay
01-30-2010 12:22 PM


Re: The Internets
Bluejay writes:

Hi, Huntard.
The plural "internets" is something Dubya started.


Really? I just thought it was some sort of internet meme thing to refer to it as the internets, or teh interwebs, and stuff. I didn't think Gore actually said it like that, it was more my paraphrasing of what he supposedly said to make it sound extra stupid.

Thanks for the link!

Edited by Huntard, : edited for more clarity


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Drosophilla
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Message 22 of 26 (545256)
02-02-2010 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by cavediver
01-30-2010 8:29 AM


Re: Winston Churchill
Hi Cavediver,

Both your quote and that of Xongsmith were attributed to Churchillís sparring with Lady Astor, but it may be apocryphal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Astor,_Viscountess_Astor

(See end of wiki article).

One quote I believe was true which always creases me up is the verbal spar between Churchill and George Bernard Shaw and conversed by telegram to each other:

Shaw: Here are two tickets to the opening performance of my new play Winston old boy - bring a friend - if you have one.

Churchill: Regret unable to attend first performance - will attend another - if there is one!


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xongsmith
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Message 23 of 26 (545264)
02-02-2010 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Drosophilla
02-02-2010 5:00 PM


Re: Winston Churchill
Drosophilla notes:
Hi Cavediver,

Both your quote and that of Xongsmith were attributed to Churchillís sparring with Lady Astor, but it may be apocryphal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Astor,_Viscountess_Astor

(See end of wiki article).

Ahah! So we may be on topic afterall!


- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Modulous
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Message 24 of 26 (545310)
02-03-2010 4:52 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Rrhain
01-31-2010 6:35 AM


Obviously he said a lot more than that ....

But you're neglecting the context. What was the question that he was asked? The quote, taken completely out of context and with the attitude being spun by the conservatives makes it seem as if Gore were trying to imply that he was spending all-nighters coding the TCP/IP stack while subsisting on nothing more than Hot Pockets and Mt. Dew.

I'm not neglecting context at all. That's why I made it clear that he said plenty more than just that, but was quoting the thing he actually said that was used to create the legend as per the thread topic.

Huntard had already made it clear that he never actually claimed to have 'invented the internet', and since "Only a fool would interpret this to mean that Gore was trying to claim intellectual credit", I didn't think it merited saying a second time.

Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.


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hERICtic
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Message 25 of 26 (545327)
02-03-2010 6:55 AM
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02-03-2010 4:52 AM


Even Gore himself poked fun at the misquote that he invented the internet:

According to a 14 September 2000 article for CBS News, "Al Gore poked fun at himself and George W. Bush in an easygoing interview Thursday with David Letterman on CBS's Late Show." [8] He read Letterman's Top 10 List, which for this show was called: "Top Ten Rejected Gore - Lieberman Campaign Slogans." Number nine on the list was: "Remember, America, I gave you the Internet, and I can take it away!" [9]

http://www.de-fact-o.com/fact_read.php?id=3

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Theodoric
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Message 26 of 26 (550563)
03-16-2010 10:46 AM


Jefferson Never said
"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
    
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