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Author Topic:   Dawkins and "The Great Tim Tebow Fallacy" (re: pro-life advertisement)
hooah212002
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Message 5 of 167 (545625)
02-04-2010 2:56 PM


I think the main line needs to be drawn at the reason for termination. I can posit a couple scenarios to describe what I mean.
1: A woman is raped and becomes pregnant. If she is to go through with the pregnancy because she is "pro-life", she will forever be reminded of the rape. It's her choice though. What if he gives her AIDS, and thus the baby is born with AIDS? That's another AIDS victim that didn't have to be.
2: A young girl likes to fuck and doesn't like condoms. She sees abortion as a way out when her stud boyfriend/fuck-buddy knocks her up. If she IS given the choice, one would hope she learns a lesson from it. (I have first hand experience with a woman who had an abortion because her asshole boyfriend forced acid (the drug) down her throat while pregnant, knocked her around and through her down the stairs.)
You look at scenario 1 and think she should be given the choice, right?
Then look at scenario 2. If she is NOT given the choice, she may well do it herself, or carry the child to term and throw it in a dumpster or it is born with severe defects. Can she afford to take care of the child? Maybe. But what if she can't? Adoption, right?
Either way, it should fall on us as a society to teach people the effects of sexual relationships. Abstinence is bull-shit because kids are gonna fuck.
I know, I know: it's not that easy. It should be. The option should be there.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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hooah212002
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Message 16 of 167 (545679)
02-04-2010 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Taq
02-04-2010 4:34 PM


What about a single father? Why is it always single mothers that get special treatment? I have primary placement of my son from my first marriage. The only reason I am able to hold the good job I have is due to my current girlfriend. If something happens between her and I, I am a single father that needs to go through the same hardships as a single mother.
A mother can just as easily abandon a child as a father can. Being a father, I take high offense to people that assume men "have it easy" when it comes to child rearing. It is MY responsibility to make sure food is on the table, the lights are on and the kids have clothes.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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hooah212002
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Message 75 of 167 (546282)
02-09-2010 6:43 PM


Think about this for a second: your wife gets raped tonight on her way home from whatever she is doing. That rape results in a pregnancy. What do you do?
Pro-Life: you get to play daddy to a rapists child. They grow up and find out. How are they going to like that?
Pro-choice: you get to choose what you want to do.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

  
hooah212002
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Message 79 of 167 (546299)
02-09-2010 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Hyroglyphx
02-09-2010 7:32 PM


Re: Playing the Devil's Advocate
How's the weather up on that high horse, safe in the suburbs? You must have lived a nice comfy life to be this ignorant.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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hooah212002
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Message 134 of 167 (547367)
02-18-2010 6:44 PM


Would you hold a funeral for a foetus?
Does a man have a child support obligation to his "baby mama"? (in the event they sperate/the man is not in the picture) Can she file for child support before the child is born? Should she be able to?
A woman is murdered one day after conception. Is it a double homicide?
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

  
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