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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 6 of 91 (547387)
02-18-2010 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Taz
02-18-2010 9:08 PM


Just imagine, The Independent Republic of Young Earth Creationist Texas.
If only. It would make things so much easier if all these nutjobs all moved to one area of the country and then seceded. I think the average IQ would go up about 50 points for the rest of the country and the advancement of science and technology would exponentially increase.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 8 of 91 (547413)
02-19-2010 5:40 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Taz
02-18-2010 10:00 PM


Yeah, but then their president would one day get a message from god to launch a nuclear attack against the rest of the country.
The message from God would probably come from Patt Robertson. And they would probably elect Glen Beck or Rush Loudmouth President. Wouldn't that be scary.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 46 of 91 (547538)
02-19-2010 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
02-19-2010 9:53 PM


Re: Long Form Hold Back
Okydoke. So now, in light of the Utube link, how can we be sure we don't have a fake? Wouldn't it be nice for the man to just produce the signed notorized long form and put it all to rest?
Here you go Buzz. Factcheck.org, an independent, non-partisan, non-profit political fact checking organization conducted an independent investigation here: Born in the U.S.A. with photos of original documents.
Besides, natural-born citizenship does not require you to be born in the US, just that you are born of parents who are U.S. citizens. Read Section 1401, Title 8 of the US Code below:
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Otherwise, McCain, himself born in the Panama Canal Zone or any military brat like myself born overseas would not be eligible to run for President either.
Stop being an ignoramous Buzz. He was born in the USA and even if he wasn't he was a natural-born citizen of the U.S.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 49 of 91 (547542)
02-19-2010 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Buzsaw
02-19-2010 10:39 PM


Re: About Those Great Texans
My Mother and Grandmother are both from Witchita Falls, Texas and my grandmother and uncle still lives in Brownsville, TX. I also lived at Dyess AFB in Abilene a couple of years as a kid.
It is stereotyping to say all Texan's are idiots and I take personal offense to anyone who insinuate this as many great people have come from this state.
I seriously don't think that is what people are doing on this board though.
What they are basically saying is that the 50-60% that believe humans and dinasour lived like the Flintstones make the rest of us 40-50% Texan's shake our heads in shame. In other words, it is a collective emberassment to an otherwise great state.
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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 50 of 91 (547543)
02-19-2010 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by subbie
02-19-2010 10:49 PM


Re: Long Form Hold Back
What that means is that if anyone questions President Obama's place of birth, all he has to do is produce that document. The burden then shifts on anyone challenging his citizenship to produce facts, not argument, speculation, fantasy or wishes, to refute the evidence.
Agreed. Just like if anyone contact's there birth state's Vital Record department, for there birth certificate, they absolutely WILL NOT get there original birth certificate but rather a State certified copy in similar fashion to the photos of Obama's certificate of live birth.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 51 of 91 (547544)
02-19-2010 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Dr Adequate
02-19-2010 10:33 PM


Re: Long Form Hold Back
The short "birth certificate" form is as equally valid as the "long form". Both are CERTIFIED by the birth state to be true.
The long form has personnel private information that most people do not want divulged to the public much less the entire world. Hence, the reason for publically releasing the equally valid short form.
Also, most states only provide one type of certified birth certificate, the certificate of live birth aka the "short form". A copy of the long form (the hospital's full live birth form) is usually given to the parents at birth and a the original may or may not reside at the State's vital records department depending on how there system is set up. I know I have never gotten a long form of my birth certificate from my birth state nor one for my daughter either.
Birther's will never be satisfied even if photos and video are shown of Obama's mother giving birth to him in a hospital in Hawaii. They would still say it was a forgery. This is getting beyond the point of assanine. Obama has provided more proof of his natural-born citizenship than any president in US history.
End of story.
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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 56 of 91 (547553)
02-19-2010 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Buzsaw
02-19-2010 11:10 PM


Re: Long Form Hold Back
Hi D A. The copy you've produced appears to be the same one on the Utube cited as a fake and the reasons why; one being that African is not a race. The race should read, Negro which is a race. The document border, etc do not match the original according to the link etc.
Is this the best evidence you have Buzsaw? People flub up on forms all the time. Believe me. I am in the military and it is a common occurance.
Here is a Hawaiian birth certificate that has "American" and "Hawaiian" as races
Here is another one that says "Caucassion Hawaiian" for the mother and "White" for the father:
The document border, etc do not match the original according to the link
?? Document borders, seals, etc change even within the same state through time. The state certified that the birth certificate is true. Or are you saying the state committed purjery? If you think so prove it in a court of law.
Did you bother to listen to and see the Utube data?
Did you bother reading FactCheck.com's independent investigation?
Keep digging Buzzsaw. No matter what I show you or the logic behind it you won't accept it.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : Correct myself on race
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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 57 of 91 (547554)
02-19-2010 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Buzsaw
02-19-2010 11:16 PM


Re: About Those Great Texans
Those are the objective ones who've visited the evidence at Glen Rose that skeptics have pshawed.
Whatever floats your boat Buzz. Have fun in your dillusions.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 59 of 91 (547556)
02-19-2010 11:40 PM


Just corrected myself. According to Youtube here: Race (classification of human beings)
African can be considered a race (classification of humans).

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 60 of 91 (547558)
02-20-2010 12:01 AM


More verification, directly by officials of the State of Hawaii, including the GOVERNOR:
So Buzz, you are basically saying that various officials in State of Hawaii including the Director of the Department of Health and its Governor Linda Lingel (BTW a Republican) have committed perjury. If you think that the case than better get a lawyer.
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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 63 of 91 (547571)
02-20-2010 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Buzsaw
02-20-2010 8:16 AM


Re: Long Form Hold Back
I see the border on your latest example of borders is like the authentic example in the Utube I cited. Yours was the alleged fraud. Look. All we the people ask for is a photocopy of the original. Just like his other records, he obviously has some reason for the stealth. We have elected the enemy who still hides in the shadows when we the people get too inquisitive about his past and who he really is.
How is it a fraud??? It has been verified by the Governor and the Department of Health Director of the State of Hawaii. In other words, you are saying the entire Hawaiian State Department commited purjury by lying about verifying his birth certificate.
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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 70 of 91 (547592)
02-20-2010 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Dr Adequate
02-20-2010 11:30 AM


Re: Long Form Hold Back
Which is why you have to pretend that the form that was produced is fake. Which leads to an interesting question. Apparently in your dreamworld this fake was good enough to fool the federal agency that issues passports, but you are so smart that you can detect it by watching a YouTube video.
This foragery was so good that forgers fooled themselves. So the question is, if this document is a forgery who did it come from? Did it come from Barak Obama or one of his staff? If this is the case how did the State of Hawaii itself buy off on it? How and why would the Hawaiian Department of Health and its Republican Governor, verbally and in writing, endorse a document that did not originate from their own office, themselves risking perjury and up to ten years in prison for endorsing a known forgery?? Are you fucking kidding me?
Buzz, your logic fails the common sense factor.
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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 84 of 91 (547618)
02-20-2010 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Buzsaw
02-20-2010 5:38 PM


Re: Nothing Here
Tell me this, DA. Why have Obama's constituents spent big $$ to avoid producing a copy of the original?
And you can show me how much Obama has spent "to avoid producing a copy of the original"? No didn't think so.
How much money, time and the effort has the birther's spent propogating this bullshit and obfuscating this lie?l Even hard core republicans have renounced the birther's allegations as bullshit.
You are just a fountain of bullshit aren't you Buzz.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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