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Christian7 Member (Idle past 249 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
I would like to see you achieve what the creator had by creating the simplest cell without design but by setting conditions. If you succeed you may call the creator incompetent in that, if you fail, then you have no such right.
Even if the creator is incompetent, human kind is hellishly inferior.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I would like to see you achieve what the creator had by creating the simplest cell without design but by setting conditions.
If jar could do that, it would provide evidence that a cell could arise by design. Since you apparently believe that jar could not do that, then you have evidence against the design hypothesis. Granted, the evidence at this stage is too weak to settle the issue. I'm just pointing out that your argument does not in any way support your claim.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Guido, let me take some time and try to answer you.
First, can I get a few basics out of the way. Are you willing to agree that for our discussion, we can both accept that we are approaching the issue of Intellegent Design as Christians? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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ohnhai Member (Idle past 5162 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: |
...on a planet full of intelligent designers.... Be fair! Mr Alien did say he had seen half the human population destroyed, so the the plannet could only be half full of intelligent designers. Mind you they must have all lost their hands causing Mr Alien not to make the connection between these humans, the computers and the artifact 'tools' that seem to be made for assemply/dis-assembly of the computers.
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AdminSchraf Inactive Member |
quote: Guidosoft, you are in violation of rule #10 of the forum rules:
Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics. Usually, in a well-conducted debate, speakers are either emotionally uncommitted or can preserve sufficient detachment to maintain a coolly academic approach. -- Encylopedia Brittanica, on debate You are on rather shaky ground. Do not tempt the moderators.
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bkelly Inactive Member |
Modulous writes: Yes, computers have evolved, they have changed over time. You, mr alien, have made a valid inference. No, computers have not evolved. The phrasing that computers have evolved is evidence of our anthropomorphic tendencies. Our ability to create ever more complex and capable computers has improved over the years. The computer itself has not evolved one bit. (pun not intended, but I like it anyway) The alien reached the wrong conclusion and is more human that it admits.
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 249 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
Yes as christians.
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 249 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
I'm sorry. Please forgive me.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Okay.
Let's see how far we can get in agreement. Would you say that an example of good design would be a system that was self-correcting? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 249 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
Yes, and I think I know where you are going with this, but go on.
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bkelly Inactive Member |
Phat writes: Some of us DO know the Designer! How do you know the designer? Before you reply, please allow me clarify how I am reading the word “know” and maybe preempt some misunderstandings. Know: as in have substantiated information as to something being true. Believe: as in hold the opinion that something is true. Know: as used in the phrase I quoted: to be an acquaintance of. By saying that you know (acquaintance) the designer, you imply that you know (have substantiated) that the designer does exist. What makes you certain that the designer exists as opposed to just believe it? The bible is known to have errors and inconsistencies. The handed down word of our parents and of religious leaders is known to have errors and inconsistencies. By what logic are you certain that the designer exists? Have you personally communicated with the designer? If yes, please specify what type of communications you have had:1. designer to Phat 2. Phat to designer 3. two way communications And how were those communications manifested? Enquiring minds want to know! Truth fears no question. bkelly
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Okay so far.
Then could we compare two systems:
can you say that one is a better design? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
hon. really. just a gentle word of warning. you are how old? if you were genius enough to take on the world of evolution, you'd have been snatched up by some snazzy U long ago. but no. you're sitting at your computer at home arguing with people who've been arguing against your precise opinions for years.
where is your christian humility? honestly. *dies*
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
bkelly writes: Hello, bkelly! This IS a serious question with important ramifications, so I had to think about the definitions that you gave. It is quite a major declaration to say that one is known by another. For example, I know about bkelly.(you.) I see an incomplete profile. I can read your posts and draw certain inferences as to your character and beliefs---yet only in a rudimentary and sketchy detail. I can't yet say with any certainty that I have met you. I have at this point only read your words in a forum. That is how I used to feel about God. I could not even say for certainty that He was anything more than a legend taught by others in a society that I grew up in.
How do you know the designer? bkelly writes: OK...we can go with your definitions, for the sake of my answer to your question. As I ponder my response to your question, I must be honest with myself and say that at this particular point in time, I know that I have met the designer and I once was quite sure that I knew Him...but...seeing how important the answer that I give is...(to me as well as some who are curious) I will have to get back to you on this answer as it will involve some prayer and meditation.
Before you reply, please allow me clarify how I am reading the word “know” and maybe preempt some misunderstandings.Know: as in have substantiated information as to something being true. Believe: as in hold the opinion that something is true. Know: as used in the phrase I quoted: to be an acquaintance of. By saying that you know (acquaintance) the designer, you imply that you know (have substantiated) that the designer does exist. bkelly writes: I will declare that I am certain...by faith. Apart from that, I will say nothing more than I feel I am ready to say about the matter. What makes you certain that the designer exists as opposed to just believe(ing) it? bkelly writes: It depends what kinds of errors we are talking about. (That is another topic, anyway) The bible is known to have errors and inconsistencies. The handed down word of our parents and of religious leaders is known to have errors and inconsistencies. Yes, but it depends on the character of the storyteller to a degree...we will not frame this issue with empirical proof as the yardstick.. By what logic are you certain that the designer exists? Again, I will get back to this question...I am not up for it right at this moment.
bkelly writes:
Stay tuned...it may take me a couple of weeks or more to get back to this, but I will keep it at the top of my list! I don't know why I feel able yet unwilling to give you a quick answer, bkelly! I certainly want to be honest with you!
Have you personally communicated with the designer? If yes, please specify what type of communications you have had:1. designer to Phat yes.
2. Phat to designer yes, all the time.
3. two way communications I believe that it has happened, but will pray before giving you my final answer on this one!
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
While you`re communicating,PB, could you ask Him what happened to my prayer no.42 back in 1987? Ta.
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