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Message 12 of 71 (551226)
03-22-2010 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Den
03-21-2010 11:41 PM


Welcome to the fray, Den,
@nwr If you intend to make comments that accuse people of ignorance, you should probably create a case by providing examples or at least something which explains and backs your statement, otherwise you yourself a merely making an ignorant comment.
@ Dr Inadequate I believe my satire points out the obvious flaws in adopting the emptiness of Atheism and accepting Evolution as fact.
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...I believe my satire points out the obvious flaws in adopting the emptiness of Atheism and accepting Evolution as fact.
Not really, as there are several problems with your logic, and all you have betrayed is an ignorance of how the human brain works and an ignorance of the principles of evolution.
First off, morals and ethics are derived from culture, from getting along with other people, and the moral principles we see throughout the world are not based on any one religion, but repeat in multitudinous forms in all religions, and can indeed be derived without one.
Treat others as you would like to be treated is a basic social contract, and this crosses all cultural bounds down to primates. Yes primates have been shown to live by the "golden rule" -- and curiously, I somehow doubt that you will consider them religious.
Second, evolution is the change in frequency of hereditary traits in breeding populations from generation to generation in response to ecological changes, and it does not involve survival of the strongest so much as survival of the able to survive. Strength can be disadvantageous. Evolution does not tell you how to behave.
Third, there are many people that fully accept evolution as the best explanation we have for how life developed on earth, and the vast majority of those people are religious. Obviously, your assumed dichotomy between religion and evolution AND your conflation of evolution with atheism are false.
If you intend to make comments that accuse people of ignorance, you should probably create a case by providing examples or at least something which explains and backs your statement, otherwise you yourself a merely making an ignorant comment.
If you really want chapter and verse, stick around. Who knows, you might learn something.
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RAZD
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Message 56 of 71 (551453)
03-22-2010 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by bluegenes
03-22-2010 6:44 PM


Re: Why are any of you feeding the troll?
Hi bluegenes,
Also, they give me the opportunity to point out that the countries with the highest levels of non-theism are relatively well functioning societies (Sweden, France, Japan etc.) and are net contributors to world aid, which is invariably received by highly religious societies.
And we don't even have to look at other countries, where there could be other factors influencing the statistics: we can look at the differences in statistics for things from violent crime rates to divorce to childhood pregnancies and compare them against the state and county proportions for religious and non-religious people. It comes as no surprise (to me) that "bible belt" communities are higher in the stats than liberal areas.
Massachusetts - even with gay marriage adding to the number of marriages - still has the lowest divorce rate in the country.
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