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Author Topic:   Does Atheism = No beliefs?
Modulous
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Message 4 of 414 (551248)
03-22-2010 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Den
03-22-2010 12:11 AM


1. Does Atheism has any beliefs which are unique to Atheism?
No, atheism isn't a belief system - it contains no beliefs. One doesn't have to evolution as fact to get included in the club.
Is the so called "freedom" of Atheism just the illusion given by an endless empty space that traps and imprisions the intellect?
Freedom of atheism?
The only thing an atheist is free of is the belief in god. This may be liberating I suppose. As to whether it is a trap of the intellect - how would one come to know an answer to such a question? Why would one think it is true? It sounds like a question that isn't a question but an opinion that is given a modern media type spin to make it sound like journalism. We ask - you decide and all that.
To answer the question: Atheism is no more necessarily an intellectual trap than a-santaism, a-domavoisim or a-fairyism. Make of that what you will.

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Message 12 of 414 (551273)
03-22-2010 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Den
03-22-2010 6:40 AM


Once you commit to Atheism doesn't ruling out a possibility disable you from continuously objectively investigating it?
1. I haven't ruled out a god just because I have not found a reason to believe it exists and have reason for acting as if it doesn't (or they don't).
2. Being human disables you from objectively investigating something.
What positive purpose is there to committing to Atheism?
The same positive purpose to committing to not believing in Santa or the lumineferous aether.
I just do not get it, I prefer to look at things from both sides and keep my options open.
Same here. I don't go around saying there will never be any evidence for the existence of Santa, the tooth fairy, the Garage Dragon or Yahweh or any deity like entity nor do I say there will never be a reason to consider that they do in fact exist.
Right now - I've made the decision to be epistemologically consistent which means if I decide to not believe in the Garage Dragon I should treat all other entities with the same level of support in a similar fashion.
From where I stand I think there's good arguements on both sides that are getting us no where!
I have yet to come across an argument for the existence of a god that is remotely as compelling as say, the argument for the existence of dark matter.

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Message 13 of 414 (551275)
03-22-2010 8:18 AM
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03-22-2010 8:13 AM


I don't hold the positive belief that there are no supernatural beings, that follows from the belief that you can determine how the world actually is by investigation and the fact that we find no trace of supernatural beings.
Isn't that agnosticism?
No - the position that there is no supernatural is called naturalism. The method seemingly used to derive Mr Jack's position here is rational empiricism (or perhaps a form of logical positivism). Not being committed to supernaturalism is just not being a supernaturalist (though that doesn't necessarily imply being a naturalist, either).
Agnosticism is the position that one either can't know or simply doesn't as of yet know whether there is a god or gods (not necessarily god, but unless specified the convention is that it is god being discussed) usually justified by referring to the impossibility of deriving a metaphysical position from an epistemological one or arguing that it is circular since the epistemological position is derived from a hidden metaphysical position.
One can both be agnostic and not be a supernaturalist.
Edited by Modulous, : kept missing important bits.

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